From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Mon Mar 8 16:11:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA18213; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:10:11 GMT Received: from md.egroups.com (md.findmail.com [209.185.96.154]) by alpha (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA18206 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 16:10:07 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by md.egroups.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 1999 16:08:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ap-forum-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: ap-forum@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/ap-forum/ Reply-To: ap-forum@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-ap-forum@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 22424 invoked by uid 7770); 8 Mar 1999 16:02:16 -0000 Received: from umc-mail01.missouri.edu (128.206.10.216) by vault.findmail.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 1999 16:02:16 -0000 Received: by umc-mail01.missouri.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:01:56 -0600 Message-ID: <2DF3344FA15BD111B413006094516DFB0459A736@umc-mail02.missouri.edu> From: UMC AGECON AgBioForum To: "Ap-Forum (E-mail)" Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:01:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Subject: [ap-forum] CALL FOR PAPERS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CALL FOR PAPERS AgBioForum is a quarterly on-line magazine devoted to the economics and management of agricultural biotechnology. 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It >was intended for one of our clients and we've only received the one copy so >far. I thought I'd post it to the partner list seeing as "program members" >got a mention. > >Paul >Domain-It! > > > >>Dear Valued Customer: >> >> >>This is to inform you that changes are taking place at Network Solutions' >Web site. >> >>When you visit us at www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll >notice that we have a new look. But our look isn't all we've changed. >We've brought all of our products, services, and partner informational >links together in one, simple, easy to use Web site. >> >>Our home page has been redesigned to help you easily find the information, >services, and tools you need to establish and maintain your Internet >presence. We have simplified the user interface, instructions, and help >for registering or reserving a new Web address (domain name). Our new >"Make Changes" section enables you to quickly find the information needed >to update your Web address information. And with the addition of new >products and services, Network Solutions can help you easily add value to >your Web experience. As always, if you have registered your domain name(s) >through one of Network Solutions' Premier program members, you may also >contact them for additional products and services. >> >>Along with our recent doubling of capacity, this seamless integration of >our Web sites is yet another way we are continually working to serve you. >Whether you type in www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll end >up at the right place. Network Solutions - the dot com peopleTM - is your >one-stop shop for your Internet presence. >> >>We encourage you to visit us at www.networksolutions.com and learn about >more ways to maximize your presence on the Internet! >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Charles A. Gomes >>Vice President, Customer Programs >> >>NOTE: This message is being sent only to the main/administrative contact >for your Web address (domain name). It is for notification purposes only. >If you have any questions or comments, please contact us via our Web site. >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's everyone looking at? Check out the Top40 most requested stocks! >Plus quotes, charts, news, portfolios, mutual funds, and discussion. >All free, fast, and easy. Visit: http://www.stockmaster.com/?a=f5 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/nic-partners >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Mar 26 10:25:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA24762; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:24:42 GMT Received: from md.egroups.com (md.egroups.com [207.138.41.139]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24755 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:24:39 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by md.egroups.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 1999 10:24:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ap-forum-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: ap-forum@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/ap-forum/ Reply-To: ap-forum@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-ap-forum@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 32098 invoked by uid 7770); 26 Mar 1999 10:24:28 -0000 Received: from provision.tm.net.my (HELO cgi2.tm.net.my) (202.188.95.14) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 10:24:28 -0000 Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.228.211]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990326102424.EPYC8539@gtcorp-sys1>; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:24:24 +0800 Message-ID: <002801be7772$b5555c80$d3e4bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: , Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:23:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ap-forum] Re: Fw: [nic-partners] Notification of Changes to Network Solutions' Web Site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Paul Goldstone To: nic-partners@egroups.com Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: [nic-partners] Re: Notification of Changes to Network Solutions' Web Site >Dear all, > >The following message is the first official NSI announcement I've seen. It >was intended for one of our clients and we've only received the one copy so >far. I thought I'd post it to the partner list seeing as "program members" >got a mention. > >Paul >Domain-It! > > > >>Dear Valued Customer: >> >> >>This is to inform you that changes are taking place at Network Solutions' >Web site. >> >>When you visit us at www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll >notice that we have a new look. But our look isn't all we've changed. >We've brought all of our products, services, and partner informational >links together in one, simple, easy to use Web site. >> >>Our home page has been redesigned to help you easily find the information, >services, and tools you need to establish and maintain your Internet >presence. We have simplified the user interface, instructions, and help >for registering or reserving a new Web address (domain name). Our new >"Make Changes" section enables you to quickly find the information needed >to update your Web address information. And with the addition of new >products and services, Network Solutions can help you easily add value to >your Web experience. As always, if you have registered your domain name(s) >through one of Network Solutions' Premier program members, you may also >contact them for additional products and services. >> >>Along with our recent doubling of capacity, this seamless integration of >our Web sites is yet another way we are continually working to serve you. >Whether you type in www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll end >up at the right place. Network Solutions - the dot com peopleTM - is your >one-stop shop for your Internet presence. >> >>We encourage you to visit us at www.networksolutions.com and learn about >more ways to maximize your presence on the Internet! >> >>Sincerely, >> >>Charles A. Gomes >>Vice President, Customer Programs >> >>NOTE: This message is being sent only to the main/administrative contact >for your Web address (domain name). It is for notification purposes only. >If you have any questions or comments, please contact us via our Web site. >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's everyone looking at? Check out the Top40 most requested stocks! >Plus quotes, charts, news, portfolios, mutual funds, and discussion. >All free, fast, and easy. Visit: http://www.stockmaster.com/?a=f5 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/nic-partners >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Too much effort to find the stock info you want each day? StockMaster lets you enter a company name and quickly shows you a daily quote, chart, and news all on one page. Free! http://stockmaster.com/?a=f7 eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/ap-forum Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05428; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:05 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05383 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:29:59 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183239.OZQV6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: <008d01be77f9$9755d7a0$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:27:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sondow To: Int'l Forum on the White Paper Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 5:29 AM Subject: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings >(Reposted from the cyberia-L mailing list.) > > >For Immediate Release - 26 March, 1999 > >CR&CL (UK) Press Release - UK ISP found liable for defamation > >LEEDS - This morning Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) criticised >a >High Court ruling involving liability for defamatory statements made >by a third party against Demon Internet. > >Demon Internet, a major UK ISP is more likely to be found liable for >defamation in a case against Dr. Laurence Godfrey, a London-based >nuclear physicist. Demon will appeal against today's pre-trial court >ruling by Mr Justice Morland in London's High Court. > >According to a press release by Demon Internet, "the point of law >being decided centres around whether Demon Internet, an Internet >Service Provider, is responsible for the information that is posted >to >and made available from newsgroups that are held on Demon Internet's >servers." It should also be noted that the case arises out of a >posting made by an unknown individual in the US, and not by a Demon >Internet customer. > >Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) believes that this decision will >have a profound effect on cyber-speech and UK ISPs will be forced to >monitor and censor third party content going through their servers. >The ruling, if not reversed on appeal would make Britain, a very >hostile place for network development in the Information Age. > >Mr. Yaman Akdeniz, Director of Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) >stated that: > >"The decision will have a chilling effect over the Internet >communications and will force the UK ISPs to take a pro-active role >in >relation to Internet content. This is most undesirable and >unacceptable. The Defamation Act does not give adequate protection >to >the ISPs and unfortunately the ISPs remain as the `usual suspects' >when civil claims through defamation suits are brought against >them." > >"It is also totally unacceptable that an offended party should >simply >notify an Internet Service Provider claiming the information to be >legally defamatory. The current state of the UK laws forces the ISPs >to be the defendant, judge, and the jury at the same time. Notice >should not be enough in such cases." > >Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) will support Demon's case during >the appeal process. > >Notes For the Media: > >This press release will be available through at >http://www.cyber-rights.org/press/ From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05424; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:04 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05380 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:29:58 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183232.OZQS6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:32:32 -0800 Message-ID: <008c01be77f9$93930340$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [nic-partners] Re: Notification of Changes to Network Solutions' Web Site Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:27:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Paul Goldstone To: nic-partners@egroups.com Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 5:17 AM Subject: [nic-partners] Re: Notification of Changes to Network Solutions' Web Site >Anne, > >We only recently became members, so I didn't get the copy you received. >Sorry for any redundancy - I thought it was going to be helpful. Was this >the first announcement you received? As I understand it, NSI will advise >partners before any changes that might effect us. > >Paul >Domain-It! > > >At 11:09 AM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >>This was sent to us directly through the Premier Partners list..did you >not get it I guess.. ? >> >>At 08:10 PM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >>>Dear all, >>> >>>The following message is the first official NSI announcement I've seen. It >>>was intended for one of our clients and we've only received the one copy so >>>far. I thought I'd post it to the partner list seeing as "program members" >>>got a mention. >>> >>>Paul >>>Domain-It! >>> >>> >>> >>>>Dear Valued Customer: >>>> >>>> >>>>This is to inform you that changes are taking place at Network Solutions' >>>Web site. >>>> >>>>When you visit us at www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll >>>notice that we have a new look. But our look isn't all we've changed. >>>We've brought all of our products, services, and partner informational >>>links together in one, simple, easy to use Web site. >>>> >>>>Our home page has been redesigned to help you easily find the information, >>>services, and tools you need to establish and maintain your Internet >>>presence. We have simplified the user interface, instructions, and help >>>for registering or reserving a new Web address (domain name). Our new >>>"Make Changes" section enables you to quickly find the information needed >>>to update your Web address information. And with the addition of new >>>products and services, Network Solutions can help you easily add value to >>>your Web experience. As always, if you have registered your domain name(s) >>>through one of Network Solutions' Premier program members, you may also >>>contact them for additional products and services. >>>> >>>>Along with our recent doubling of capacity, this seamless integration of >>>our Web sites is yet another way we are continually working to serve you. >>>Whether you type in www.networksolutions.com or rs.internic.net, you'll end >>>up at the right place. Network Solutions - the dot com peopleTM - is your >>>one-stop shop for your Internet presence. >>>> >>>>We encourage you to visit us at www.networksolutions.com and learn about >>>more ways to maximize your presence on the Internet! >>>> >>>>Sincerely, >>>> >>>>Charles A. Gomes >>>>Vice President, Customer Programs >>>> >>>>NOTE: This message is being sent only to the main/administrative contact >>>for your Web address (domain name). It is for notification purposes only. >>>If you have any questions or comments, please contact us via our Web site. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>What's everyone looking at? Check out the Top40 most requested stocks! >>>Plus quotes, charts, news, portfolios, mutual funds, and discussion. >>>All free, fast, and easy. Visit: http://www.stockmaster.com/?a=f5 >>> >>>eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/nic-partners >>>Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Thanks ! >>Anne >> >> >> >>*Please include original message in reply to assure proper >>reply to your query* >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Why are most stock sites so slow and annoying to use? StockMaster.com >>is fast, easy, powerful, and free! Use company names, not ticker >>symbols. Track your portfolio. Visit: http://stockmaster.com/?a=f6 >> >>eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/nic-partners >>Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups Spotlight: >"Africanshereandthere" - African-American artists, djembe drummers, dancers. >http://offers.egroups.com/click/243/2 > >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/nic-partners >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05467; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:24 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05461 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:21 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183258.OZRG6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:32:58 -0800 Message-ID: <00a501be77f9$a30f3f00$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:27:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Sexton To: list@ifwp.org Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings >>LEEDS - This morning Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) criticised >>a High Court ruling involving liability for defamatory statements made >>by a third party against Demon Internet. >> >>Demon Internet, a major UK ISP is more likely to be found liable for >>defamation in a case against Dr. Laurence Godfrey, a London-based >>nuclear physicist. Demon will appeal against today's pre-trial court >>ruling by Mr Justice Morland in London's High Court. > >Godfrey has puoled this stunt on a number of ISP's; he started off with >Universitues; you insult Godfrey and he goes after your upstream. Universitues >usually settled quietly and quickly. This has been going on for about a >decade. > >-- >richard@dns.list sexton@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security >will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" > --Thomas Jefferson > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05486; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:28 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05473 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:25 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183304.OZRL6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:33:04 -0800 Message-ID: <00a601be77f9$a6ca7240$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:28:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sondow To: Richard J. Sexton Cc: list@ifwp.org Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Richard J. Sexton a écrit: > > Godfrey has puoled this stunt on a number of ISP's; he started off with > Universitues; you insult Godfrey and he goes after your upstream. Universitues > usually settled quietly and quickly. This has been going on for about a > decade. I didn't know that. I guess the cyberia-L crowd thought this was a significant departure from the usual cases. From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05501; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:29 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05468 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:24 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183252.OZRD6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:32:52 -0800 Message-ID: <009b01be77f9$9f10e840$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:27:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: list@ifwp.org Cc: domain-open-rsc.org ; Domain policy ; info-policy-notes Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings >Michael and all, > > n I see this UK decision as a good sign. All we need now is a similar >one >in the US. It is this kind of nonsense that our own dear William X >practices of a regular occasion that needs to be curtailed. Such >legal decisions in the UK may help the US to take notice in our >justice system, and hopefully soon. Than we can get a handle >on such people like WIlliam X. Walsh to curtail his questionable >net speak. > >Michael Sondow wrote: > >> (Reposted from the cyberia-L mailing list.) >> >> For Immediate Release - 26 March, 1999 >> >> CR&CL (UK) Press Release - UK ISP found liable for defamation >> >> LEEDS - This morning Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) criticised >> a >> High Court ruling involving liability for defamatory statements made >> by a third party against Demon Internet. >> >> Demon Internet, a major UK ISP is more likely to be found liable for >> defamation in a case against Dr. Laurence Godfrey, a London-based >> nuclear physicist. Demon will appeal against today's pre-trial court >> ruling by Mr Justice Morland in London's High Court. >> >> According to a press release by Demon Internet, "the point of law >> being decided centres around whether Demon Internet, an Internet >> Service Provider, is responsible for the information that is posted >> to >> and made available from newsgroups that are held on Demon Internet's >> servers." It should also be noted that the case arises out of a >> posting made by an unknown individual in the US, and not by a Demon >> Internet customer. >> >> Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) believes that this decision will >> have a profound effect on cyber-speech and UK ISPs will be forced to >> monitor and censor third party content going through their servers. >> The ruling, if not reversed on appeal would make Britain, a very >> hostile place for network development in the Information Age. >> >> Mr. Yaman Akdeniz, Director of Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) >> stated that: >> >> "The decision will have a chilling effect over the Internet >> communications and will force the UK ISPs to take a pro-active role >> in >> relation to Internet content. This is most undesirable and >> unacceptable. The Defamation Act does not give adequate protection >> to >> the ISPs and unfortunately the ISPs remain as the `usual suspects' >> when civil claims through defamation suits are brought against >> them." >> >> "It is also totally unacceptable that an offended party should >> simply >> notify an Internet Service Provider claiming the information to be >> legally defamatory. The current state of the UK laws forces the ISPs >> to be the defendant, judge, and the jury at the same time. Notice >> should not be enough in such cases." >> >> Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) will support Demon's case during >> the appeal process. >> >> Notes For the Media: >> >> This press release will be available through at >> http://www.cyber-rights.org/press/ > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:30:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05524; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:35 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05517 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:30:33 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183313.OZSS6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:33:13 -0800 Message-ID: <00a701be77f9$aba2fc60$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:28:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: William X. Walsh To: list@ifwp.org Cc: Richard J. Sexton Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings On 26-Mar-99 Michael Sondow wrote: > Richard J. Sexton a écrit: > > > > Godfrey has puoled this stunt on a number of ISP's; he started off with > > Universitues; you insult Godfrey and he goes after your upstream. > > Universitues > > usually settled quietly and quickly. This has been going on for about a > > decade. > > I didn't know that. I guess the cyberia-L crowd thought this was a > significant departure from the usual cases. Probably not. They get involved in just about all cases similiar to this one, and issue similar releases. ---------------------------------- William X. Walsh General Manager, DSo Internet Services Date: 26-Mar-99 Time: 15:52:24 ---------------------------------- From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 02:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA05757; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:33:44 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05751 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:33:36 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.135]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327183346.PABN6126@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:33:46 -0800 Message-ID: <00b201be77f9$bfa3d5e0$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:30:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Roeland M.J. Meyer To: Richard J. Sexton Cc: list@ifwp.org Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [IFWP] UK ISP guilty of defamation by client's postings >At 06:30 PM 3/26/99 -0500, Richard J. Sexton wrote: >>>LEEDS - This morning Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK) criticised >>>a High Court ruling involving liability for defamatory statements made >>>by a third party against Demon Internet. >>> >>>Demon Internet, a major UK ISP is more likely to be found liable for >>>defamation in a case against Dr. Laurence Godfrey, a London-based >>>nuclear physicist. Demon will appeal against today's pre-trial court >>>ruling by Mr Justice Morland in London's High Court. >> >>Godfrey has puoled this stunt on a number of ISP's; he started off with >>Universitues; you insult Godfrey and he goes after your upstream. Universitues >>usually settled quietly and quickly. This has been going on for about a >>decade. > >This guy sounds like a CJIII clone. > >>richard@dns.list sexton@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >>"Those who give up a little freedom for a little security >>will not have, nor do they deserve, either one" >> --Thomas Jefferson > > >___________________________________________________ >Roeland M.J. Meyer - >e-mail: mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com >Internet phone: hawk.lvrmr.mhsc.com >Personal web pages: http://staff.mhsc.com/~rmeyer >Company web-site: http://www.mhsc.com >___________________________________________________ > KISS ... gotta love it! > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 06:45:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA16117; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:45:02 GMT Received: from perfekt.perfekt.net (perfekt.net [205.230.176.10]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA16082 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:44:59 GMT Received: from iciiu.org (slip-ppp-1-196.perfekt.net [205.230.176.196]) by perfekt.perfekt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA12300; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:46:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FC7E1F.68F1D05C@iciiu.org> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:43:43 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen)(Exch)" CC: ap-forum@apnic.net Subject: ???? References: <00a501be77f9$a30f3f00$873abcca@gtcorp-sys1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are you re-posting all the messages from the IFWP list on the apnic list? From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 14:04:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA01721; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:02:40 GMT Received: from cgi1.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA01715 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:02:35 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.57.228]) by cgi1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990327140228.FVPP7770@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:02:28 +0800 Message-ID: <000601be785a$54fe6320$e439bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] routing around CENTRAL AUTHORITY Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:56:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bob Allisat To: dnsproc-en@wipo2.wipo.int ; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET ; list@ifwp.org ; nanog@merit.edu Date: Saturday, March 27, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: [IFWP] routing around CENTRAL AUTHORITY > > The critical failure point of an otherwise fairly > robust network of computers is a kludged system of > numbering, addressing and regulating various machines > that attach to it. This system is susceptable both > to undue and unjust human interventions as well as > to simple failure and error factors. All as a result > of it's extreme centralization and positioning as > peak of a decending hierarchy. One that only scales > up to a certain point we have long since overpassed. > The top-down, centre controll then succeeds only in > inhibiting and even restricting free and open > communications among what are now hundreds of > millions of machines. And people. > > The task facing us is to cleverly route around the > central authority failure locus. By utilizing ingenuity > and by exploiting the strengths, characteristics and > weaknesses of the existing infrastructure as well as > through the increasing sophistication of available, > off the shelf machinery the task appears to be growing > easier by the day if not by the hour. > > Gone is the day when we are limited, as individual > elements of the network, to 8 kilobyte slivers of > RAM, 10 meg hard drives, archaic code all driven by > turtle slow processors and even slower 300 baud net > connections. We are piloting computers capabilities > and connectivity that *exceed* the performance of > old-style, direct to backbone "mainframe" computers > at prices that continue to tumble as standards > continue to soar. A very positive situation. > > It is very clear the technical resources are at > hand. What is lacking is the determination and > resolve to sever our collective dependance upon > central authority. Perhaps we require more in the > way of abuse to encourage us towards a truely > robust network. Perhaps we simply have to realize > the benifits of *not* having to go, hat in hand, > to any power structure to recieve identifiable > number sequences for our machines and simple, easy > to remember addressing methodologies. Not to > mention confronting daunting hierarchies to have > even the simplest innovation incorporated into > standard practice and protocols. > > Connecting to the net, recieving a randomly > generated, unique number code, and establishing > on address should be AUTOMATIC, unmediated and > certainly not subject to either exhorbitant > fees or heavy handed "regulation". Likewise > modifying protocols should be simple and > relatively automtatic. It all should function > pretty much plug and play. Each machine signals > in, exchanges simple information and, presto, > is *on* without delay or regulatory hoops and > barriers to run through. Likewise new standards > and practices. They work. And are adopted. > Without a fuss, endless meetings and equally > abundant opportunities for innovation to be > suffocated or ambuscaded. > > These innovations - though they are by no means > innovative - would render all of the current > dissent and acrimony moot. There is absolutely > no reason for any of the conflicts currently > such the rage. If we introduce reforms to this > network making it truely robust, completely > controlled by the edges and periphery we will > create something that can truely sustain us > through the onrushing millenia, not merely > choke along until the inevitable, massive and > central authority inspired failure shuts it > all down as unuseable or oppressive to the > extreme (same thing!). Towards this end... > > Bob Allisat > > Free Community Network _ bob@fcn.net > http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat > http://robin.fcn.net > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 17:50:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA08392; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:50:49 GMT Received: from perfekt.perfekt.net (perfekt.net [205.230.176.10]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08387 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:50:42 GMT Received: from iciiu.org (slip-ppp-1-205.perfekt.net [205.230.176.205]) by perfekt.perfekt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA16055; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:51:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FD19FB.B8B04CDA@iciiu.org> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:48:43 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antoun Nabhan CC: nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, Tony Harris , ap-forum , discuss Subject: Re: ICANN language translation References: <3.0.2.16.19990326195117.107f8648@140.247.200.68> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Antoun Nabhan a écrit: > > Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner on this - classes are these pesky things that interfere with what I swear is my real life. Charlie, naturally, is even harder to find than me. No problem. I've been pretty busy myself. > Here's the story. We have 25x2servers = 50 outgoing streams of RealAudio available. Nice. > I think you and I were assuming that the translators are *not* on-site at the meeting. Given that condition: We can reserve x number of the outgoing streams for listening by translators, but the translators need to have their own outgoing Real Audio servers/encoders. We can provide help with that, but not equipment. Of course. But surely they can run one realaudio stream off their desktops, no? > If they are on-site at the meeting, we have a different scenario but not necessarily a better one, since we need an additional encoder machine for each outgoing audio feed. My experience at Cambridge & Singapore is that a Pentium II 233 is just adequate for this. The server machine that we brought to Singapore can supposedly handle multiple encoder feeds, although we've never run it with that setup. I don't think we want to start out planning on translators being physically present at the meetings. Who would pay for their travel and lodging? As to a minimum of a Pentium II 233 for encoding, would that also serve for the outgoing realaudio server, or can't encoding and feeding be done from the same machine for some reason? (I'm really totally inexperienced in doing realaudio feeds, so you'll have to excuse my ignorant questions.) > I do think it is a good idea to contact CABASE and any mailing lists > that might prove fruitful. That can be done > (Your suggestion of Spanish, Chinese, French sounds good. I would also > advocate German, as a nod to the hosts for Berlin, and Japanese.) Trying to do too much in the beginning is a recipe for failure. We'll never get five translators set up in time for Berlin, IMO. Can we try for three? Which three languages? Yes, including German is a good idea as a nod to Berlin hosts, but German isn't much use globally, and the Germans themselves won't need it because they can be present. I advocate not doing German, therefore, and concentrating on three languages that won't be easily represented at the meeting, for example Spanish (spoken in some thirty-six countries worldwide), Chinese (as a sort of common Asian language), and French (as the second-ranking international language). Japanese is too minority: only used in one country. Arabic would be a good choice, since it's used in many different countries, but perhaps the lack of developed Internet infrastructure in most of those countries argues against it. Any other suggestions? Discussion on the subject of how many and which languages? Charles? > The sooner we can get translators lined up for Berlin, the better. > Equipment and technical hurdles will be tricky, but there's a whole > lot of underutilized equipment and bandwidth out in the world; all we > have to do is find the people willing to let us use it. Perhaps. :) > I suggest this as a next step: can you figure out what organizations > exist to coordinate translators? We have to first decide which languages will be used. Then we can contact organizations. (Although I am copying CABASE on this, since I assume that Spanish will be one of them, and also ap-forum and the dnso discuss list, which may still have some diverse countries on it.) From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 19:57:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA16422; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:56:56 GMT Received: from hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (hulaw5.law.harvard.edu [140.247.200.68]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16410 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:56:48 GMT Received: from anabhan.swiftech.net.sg (nas4-36.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.44.136]) by hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01266; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:56:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19990327145319.4537ce76@140.247.200.68> X-Sender: anabhan@140.247.200.68 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:53:19 To: msondow@iciiu.org From: Antoun Nabhan Subject: Re: ICANN language translation Cc: nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, oportunidades@redynet.com.ar, ap-forum@apnic.net, discuss@dnso.org In-Reply-To: <36FD19FB.B8B04CDA@iciiu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >I don't think we want to start out planning on translators being >physically present at the meetings. Who would pay for their travel >and lodging? I think that's right. Remote translation strikes me as a more viable option long-term. >As to a minimum of a Pentium II 233 for encoding, would that also >serve for the outgoing realaudio server, or can't encoding and >feeding be done from the same machine for some reason? (I'm really >totally inexperienced in doing realaudio feeds, so you'll have to >excuse my ignorant questions.) You only need one machine, but it has to be a really robust machine with a reasonably fat network pipe attached. >> (Your suggestion of Spanish, Chinese, French sounds good. I would also > advocate German, as a nod to the hosts for Berlin, and Japanese.) > >Trying to do too much in the beginning is a recipe for failure. >We'll never get five translators set up in time for Berlin, IMO. Well, yes, that's right, too. It is the sort of situation where we can ask for five and have three step forward? >Can we try for three? Which three languages? Yes, including German >is a good idea as a nod to Berlin hosts, but German isn't much use >globally, and the Germans themselves won't need it because they can >be present. I advocate not doing German, therefore, and >concentrating on three languages that won't be easily represented at >the meeting, for example Spanish (spoken in some thirty-six >countries worldwide), Chinese (as a sort of common Asian language), >and French (as the second-ranking international language). > >Japanese is too minority: only used in one country. Arabic would be >a good choice, since it's used in many different countries, but >perhaps the lack of developed Internet infrastructure in most of >those countries argues against it. Any other suggestions? Discussion >on the subject of how many and which languages? Charles? I'll defer to public comment. I hate to leave anybody out, but we do have some scarcity issues that make it necessary. >> The sooner we can get translators lined up for Berlin, the better. >> Equipment and technical hurdles will be tricky, but there's a whole >> lot of underutilized equipment and bandwidth out in the world; all we > have to do is find the people willing to let us use it. > >Perhaps. :) Well, since this is going out to public lists, it's now a public request. If anyone has equipment and/or bandwidth that they are willing to let us use May 25-26, please let Michael and I know. PC's running RealEncoder software should be in the same physical location as the translators; the RealServers need to be close in network-hop terms but not physically. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antoun Nabhan * "To understand privacy, one must first anabhan@law.harvard.edu * understand shame" - Janna Malamud-Smith Berkman Center for * Register for "Privacy in Cyberspace": Internet & Society * http://eon.law.harvard.edu/privacy From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sat Mar 27 22:55:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA23208; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:55:21 GMT Received: from perfekt.perfekt.net (perfekt.net [205.230.176.10]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23193 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:54:56 GMT Received: from iciiu.org (slip-ppp-1-192.perfekt.net [205.230.176.192]) by perfekt.perfekt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18786; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FD6164.477397B5@iciiu.org> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:53:24 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antoun Nabhan CC: nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, oportunidades@redynet.com.ar, ap-forum@apnic.net, discuss@dnso.org, DNSO discuss , "Int'l Forum on the White Paper" , "A.L.C.I." , POISSON list , "E.N.R.E.D.O." , WG-ISUS list Subject: ICANN Berlin meeting Remote Simultaneous Translation Project References: <3.0.2.16.19990327145319.4537ce76@140.247.200.68> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Antoun Nabhan a écrit: > > Well, yes, that's right, too. It is the sort of situation where we can ask for five and have three step forward? Even just asking takes time, and the odds are we won't even get three set up. I strongly recommend asking for three, and being ready to make do with two. This is a test, a first run, and shouldn't be more ambitious than we can deal with. Getting the technical kinks worked out is the first order of business, IMO, so as long as we have at least two, so that we can work out the logistics for more than one two-way remote, we'll be accomplishing all that we can really pretend to do this first time. > I'll defer to public comment. I hate to leave anybody out, but we do have some scarcity issues that make it necessary. Yes, let's see if we get any feedback, and go from there. If we don't, then I'll start contacting people personally and urging them to participate. But this time around I think we'll end up having to make do with whatever we've got, and be happy for it, rather than trying to pick and choose too much. And we're in no position yet, technically or otherwise, to be trying to set up many remotes. > Well, since this is going out to public lists, it's now a public > request. If anyone has equipment and/or bandwidth that they are > willing to let us use May 25-26, please let Michael and I know. PCs > running RealEncoder software should be in the same physical location > as the translators; the RealServers need to be close in network-hop > terms but not physically. Yes, that's right. Perhaps you could write up a short tech requirement spec sheet, which we'll distribute, specifying minimum PC and server requirements (CPU speed, RAM, PC-to-Realsever distance, bandwidth, etc.). Also: Can Berkman supply software? I'm adding some mailing lists to the addresses (ALCI $ ENREDO, the Latin American lists, as well as the IFWP, AIP, IETF, and TERENA lists). Any further suggestions on how to advertise properly will be appreciated. Also, I've given this a name - the Remote Simultaneous Translation Project (RSTP) - so we'll all know what we're talking about, okay? From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sun Mar 28 00:03:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA25786; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:03:32 GMT Received: from hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (hulaw5.law.harvard.edu [140.247.200.68]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25780 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 00:03:21 GMT Received: from anabhan.swiftech.net.sg (nas4-43.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.44.143]) by hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA26605; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:02:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19990327185959.458fb870@140.247.200.68> X-Sender: anabhan@140.247.200.68 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 18:59:59 To: msondow@iciiu.org From: Antoun Nabhan Subject: Re: ICANN Berlin meeting Remote Simultaneous Translation Project Cc: nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, oportunidades@redynet.com.ar, ap-forum@apnic.net, discuss@dnso.org, dnso.discuss@lists.association.org, list@ifwp.org, alci@intermedia.com.ar, poised@tis.com, enredo@reacciun.ve, wg-isus@terena.nl, edelman@fas.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: <36FD6164.477397B5@iciiu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >> Well, since this is going out to public lists, it's now a public >> request. If anyone has equipment and/or bandwidth that they are >> willing to let us use May 25-26, please let Michael and I know. PCs >> running RealEncoder software should be in the same physical location >> as the translators; the RealServers need to be close in network-hop >> terms but not physically. > >Yes, that's right. Perhaps you could write up a short tech >requirement spec sheet, which we'll distribute, specifying minimum >PC and server requirements (CPU speed, RAM, PC-to-Realsever >distance, bandwidth, etc.). Also: Can Berkman supply software? Let me run some tests with different configurations of our equipment. I'll put together such a document and release it to the lists. As for software, it's all available free from Real (www.real.com). You need two pieces of software, Basic Server and RealEncoder. The encoder digitizes the incoming signal; Basic Server software allows 25 outgoing streams of that signal. >I'm adding some mailing lists to the addresses (ALCI $ ENREDO, the >Latin American lists, as well as the IFWP, AIP, IETF, and TERENA >lists). Any further suggestions on how to advertise properly will be >appreciated. Also, I've given this a name - the Remote Simultaneous >Translation Project (RSTP) - so we'll all know what we're talking >about, okay? Sounds good. I hope that all those lists are okay with this use of their forums! And thus, RSTP is added to the Internet Acronym Soup (IAS). :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antoun Nabhan * "To understand privacy, one must first anabhan@law.harvard.edu * understand shame" - Janna Malamud-Smith Berkman Center for * Register for "Privacy in Cyberspace": Internet & Society * http://eon.law.harvard.edu/privacy From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sun Mar 28 11:58:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA21575; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:58:22 GMT Received: from gromit.edventure.com (gromit.edventure.com [206.148.52.66]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21565 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 11:58:15 GMT Received: from esther ([166.72.81.28]) by gromit.edventure.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:43:38 -0500 X-Sender: esther@206.148.52.66 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Michael Sondow From: edyson@edventure.com (Esther Dyson) Subject: Re: ICANN language translation Cc: Antoun Nabhan , nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, Tony Harris , ap-forum , discuss Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 06:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <19990328114338078.AAF164@gromit.edventure.com@esther> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These translators are doing all this pro bono for their own communities, I assume? That is definitely the appropriate bottom-up approach, and unfortunately the only one ICANN can afford. Esther Dyson At 12:48 PM 27/03/99 -0500, Michael Sondow wrote: >Antoun Nabhan a =E9crit: >>=20 >> Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner on this - classes are these pesky things that interfere with what I swear is my real life. Charlie, naturally, is even harder to find than me. > >No problem. I've been pretty busy myself. > >> Here's the story. We have 25x2servers =3D 50 outgoing streams of= RealAudio available. > >Nice. > >> I think you and I were assuming that the translators are *not* on-site at the meeting. Given that condition: We can reserve x number of the outgoing streams for listening by translators, but the translators need to have their own outgoing Real Audio servers/encoders. We can provide help with that, but not equipment. > >Of course. But surely they can run one realaudio stream off their >desktops, no? > >> If they are on-site at the meeting, we have a different scenario but not necessarily a better one, since we need an additional encoder machine for each outgoing audio feed. My experience at Cambridge & Singapore is that a Pentium II 233 is just adequate for this. The server machine that we brought to Singapore can supposedly handle multiple encoder feeds, although we've never run it with that setup. > >I don't think we want to start out planning on translators being >physically present at the meetings. Who would pay for their travel >and lodging? > >As to a minimum of a Pentium II 233 for encoding, would that also >serve for the outgoing realaudio server, or can't encoding and >feeding be done from the same machine for some reason? (I'm really >totally inexperienced in doing realaudio feeds, so you'll have to >excuse my ignorant questions.) > >> I do think it is a good idea to contact CABASE and any mailing lists > that might prove fruitful.=20 > >That can be done > >> (Your suggestion of Spanish, Chinese, French sounds good. I would also > advocate German, as a nod to the hosts for Berlin, and Japanese.) > >Trying to do too much in the beginning is a recipe for failure. >We'll never get five translators set up in time for Berlin, IMO.=20 > >Can we try for three? Which three languages? Yes, including German >is a good idea as a nod to Berlin hosts, but German isn't much use >globally, and the Germans themselves won't need it because they can >be present. I advocate not doing German, therefore, and >concentrating on three languages that won't be easily represented at >the meeting, for example Spanish (spoken in some thirty-six >countries worldwide), Chinese (as a sort of common Asian language), >and French (as the second-ranking international language).=20 > >Japanese is too minority: only used in one country. Arabic would be >a good choice, since it's used in many different countries, but >perhaps the lack of developed Internet infrastructure in most of >those countries argues against it. Any other suggestions? Discussion >on the subject of how many and which languages? Charles? > >> The sooner we can get translators lined up for Berlin, the better.=20 >> Equipment and technical hurdles will be tricky, but there's a whole=20 >> lot of underutilized equipment and bandwidth out in the world; all we > have to do is find the people willing to let us use it. > >Perhaps. :) > >> I suggest this as a next step: can you figure out what organizations=20 >> exist to coordinate translators?=20 > >We have to first decide which languages will be used. Then we can >contact organizations. (Although I am copying CABASE on this, since >I assume that Spanish will be one of them, and also ap-forum and the >dnso discuss list, which may still have some diverse countries on >it.) > Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes! chairman, EDventure Holdings interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers edyson@edventure.com 1 (212) 924-8800 1 (212) 924-0240 fax 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor) New York, NY 10011 USA http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org PC Forum: 21 to 24 March 1999, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona=20 High-Tech Forum in Europe: 24 to 26 October 1999, Budapest Book: "Release 2.0: A design for living in the digital age"=20 From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Sun Mar 28 19:02:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA10532; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:02:06 GMT Received: from hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (hulaw5.law.harvard.edu [140.247.200.68]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10522 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:01:59 GMT Received: from anabhan.swiftech.net.sg (nas4-48.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.44.148]) by hulaw5.law.harvard.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA19847; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:01:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19990328135843.53b7e3ac@140.247.200.68> X-Sender: anabhan@140.247.200.68 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:58:43 To: msondow@iciiu.org From: Antoun Nabhan Subject: Re: ICANN language translation Cc: nesson@law.harvard.edu, wilbanks@law.harvard.edu, oportunidades@redynet.com.ar, ap-forum@apnic.net, discuss@dnso.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 06:43 AM 3/28/99 -0500, you wrote: >These translators are doing all this pro bono for their own communities, I >assume? That is definitely the appropriate bottom-up approach, and >unfortunately the only one ICANN can afford. > >Esther Dyson > Yes, the plan is definitely that translators would volunteer. Just to clarify: no translators have yet stepped forward, and we don't have any particular people in mind. Anyone who can perform this service is welcome to join the project. -A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Antoun Nabhan * "To understand privacy, one must first anabhan@law.harvard.edu * understand shame" - Janna Malamud-Smith Berkman Center for * Register for "Privacy in Cyberspace": Internet & Society * http://eon.law.harvard.edu/privacy From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Mon Mar 29 02:51:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA02257; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 02:51:49 GMT Received: from cgi1.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02252 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 02:51:46 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.232.160]) by cgi1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329025143.XZT25655@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:51:43 +0800 Message-ID: <002601be798e$f54e0300$a0e8bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] FCN ABANDONS CENTRAL DNS Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:50:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bob Allisat To: dnsproc-en@wipo2.wipo.int ; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET ; list@ifwp.org ; nanog@merit.edu Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 10:44 AM Subject: [IFWP] FCN ABANDONS CENTRAL DNS > > FCN ABANDONS CENTRAL DNS > > As of April 1st, 1999 Free Community Network (FCN) will no > longer register free domain names nor will it support any > current domain name registration alternatives. FCN also > abandons all claim to any Top Level Domains including .FCN > We will actively work towards establishing new methods of > addressing and regulating the Internet. Methods not based > on central authority, concentration of power and accumulation > of wealth. FCN supports a free, open, self-regulating and > decentralized Internet that puts the power to determine our > future in the hands of every citizen not in the grasp of small > groups of business people, technologists or bureaucrats. > Towards this end we encourage all citizens to work together > to innovate solutions that bypass outmoded technologies, > thought patterns and habits. Free men and women don't need > gatekeepers and overlords. For more information visit > http://fcn.net/citizens or e-mail Bob Allisat (bob@fcn.net). > - Press release, Toronto/Atlanta, 28/03/99. > > Bob Allisat > > Free Community Network ... bob@fcn.net __ http://fcn.net > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Mon Mar 29 03:45:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA04289; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:45:09 GMT Received: from cgi1.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA04285 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:45:06 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.232.160]) by cgi1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329034455.YTC25655@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:44:55 +0800 Message-ID: <003801be7996$64674f60$a0e8bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] FYI to:[apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] APNIC Training Course Slides] Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:44:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BE79D9.703777A0" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BE79D9.703777A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: inet ; domain-open-rsc.org ; Domain policy Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 9:38 AM Subject: [IFWP] FYI to:[apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] APNIC Training Course Slides] >All, > > Here is an FYI for you. It seems like the ICANN is attempting to >gather >constituents in support for future qualifications for ASO guidelines >to be incorporating them into future changes in the "Accreditation >Policy" from the Singapore meeting. > > It might be important to note that there is yet to be an ASO in >place to date..... > >See ICANN Accreditation Policy: >http://www.ICANN.org/policy_statement.html > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BE79D9.703777A0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: [apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] APNIC Training Course Slides Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from ns.apnic.net (alpha.apnic.net [203.37.255.97]) by ixmail8.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with ESMTP id QAA03440; for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 16:26:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA18815; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:51:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA18702; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:46:37 GMT Received: from gateway.staff.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA18698 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:46:36 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by gateway.staff.apnic.net (8.8.7/SCO5) id JAA16741 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:46:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by gateway.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma016735; Mon, 29 Mar 99 09:46:34 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17092 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:46:29 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:46:29 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: apnic-announce@ns.apnic.net Subject: [apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] APNIC Training Course Slides Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: apnic-talk@apnic.net Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [Note "reply-to:" field] The slides of the APNIC training course given at APRICOT '99 in Singapore are now on the APNIC web site at: http://www.apnic.net/training/lir-course/index.htm and at: http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/training/lir-course-020399.PPT thanks, Anne Lord APNIC -- * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request@apnic.net * * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BE79D9.703777A0-- From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Mon Mar 29 03:46:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA04337; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:46:06 GMT Received: from cgi1.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA04332 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:46:03 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.232.160]) by cgi1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990329034601.YTN25655@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:46:01 +0800 Message-ID: <003d01be7996$8ba8bfa0$a0e8bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] NTIA Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:45:08 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lovell To: list@ifwp.org Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: [IFWP] NTIA >Just back from the coast and find: > >http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/dotusagenda.htm > >so pardon me if someone in my remaining 235 emails since >Friday has already posted this. > >Bill Lovell > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16000; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:14 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15993 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:11 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092108.EXLK20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:08 +0800 Message-ID: <00c901be7a8e$845d3c00$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:08:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jason Czerak To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:23 PM Subject: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >Well this funny little virus was on tv this morning. According to the >tv: > >1. Every computer is effected >2. There is no excape >3. don't open all your mail >4. World is comming to and end. > > >well the last 3 are the impressions I got from the report. But the first >one is what cought my eye. This thing is a windows only virus. >correct? yep. I'm on linux. no viruses here. second. it's an MS Out look >express thing. Nope. no out look express anywhere on my machine and I >bet there is a good amount of ppl that don't use Out look express, namly >the few million AOL users, majority of Windows online group, for a >start. Come on I know they are trying to make the infomration about the >virus in plain english but they don't have to lie about the major >aspects. Just come out and say it only effects window users useing >outlook express (tho I'm not use 100% if is only outlook express please >correct me if I'm wrong ) > >Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at >times.... > > >-- >Jason Czerak > Jason@sektortech.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA15985; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:09 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15978 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:06 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092101.EXLI20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:01 +0800 Message-ID: <00c601be7a8e$7ffa3000$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] Re: FCN ABANDONS CENTRAL DNS Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:08:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bob Allisat To: Adam Rothschild Cc: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET ; dnsproc-en@wipo2.wipo.int ; list@ifwp.org ; nanog@merit.edu Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:30 PM Subject: [IFWP] Re: FCN ABANDONS CENTRAL DNS > >Adam Rothschild wrote: >> Quite frankly, I think FCN would be best off keeping central >> DNS, and abandoning Bob Allisat. > > FCN is a two person operation. We have > come to the conclusion separately that > pursuing any central DNS solution only > makes us a part of the problem. We are > forced into establishing complex Terms > and Conditions of service, placed into > unnecessary positions of legal peril > and generally forced to act as so many > dictators for citizens who are more than > capable of taking care of themselves. > Not one day longer is this sustainable. > > We will be advocating methods of Internet > addressing and number assignment that are > free, easy, protect our rights, liberties > and freedoms and which are more or less > automatic. Methods that do *not* rely on > authoritarian, top down, hierarchical > power structures such as those proposed > by ICANN/ORSC/ETC. All of which place > citizens as subserviant beneath more or > less revolting fuedal power structures. > > BTW FCN is very much alive and well and > continues to seek support and provide > information services. Thank you for all > your assistance in the past and for your > interest in our work and words. Cheerio! > > Bob Allisat > > Free Community Network ... bob@fcn.net __ http://fcn.net > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16036; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:29 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16030 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:26 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092121.EXLR20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:21 +0800 Message-ID: <00cb01be7a8e$8be46b60$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:10:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Domi To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >> >> This virus: >> 1. affects Windows only >> 2. is contained in a Word document as a Macro >> 3. is only effective if Outlook97/98 or Outlook Express is on your machine - >> with entries in the address book >> 4. will not affect your computer if you have none or only some of the above >> 5. will not affect your computer if you don't open the attached document >> 6. wil not affect your computer if you open the document, but disable macros >> 7. is not on every computer > >Well from what I understand, you can be infected without Outlook express. It's a Word macro virus, so you will only be >infected if you open the .doc file (assuming you allow macros) *unless* you run Outlook Express, which automatically does >something to the document, afaik. > >Another aspect of this virus though is, it will have affect on mail servers. There are thousands of infected computers, which >will lead to bogged down MTAs. > > >> 8. can be cleaned from systems (see www.nai.com) >> 9. should only affect idiots >> 10. has no effect on the sheduled end of the world 4 billion years from now >> >> Yes, the media is blowing this thing totally out of proportion. I read a >> writeup in the Providence Journal on Sunday morning that fairly well >> informed though. All this computer scaremongering by the media really >> pisses me off sometimes. >> >> Kurt >> kurthuhn@k-huhn.com >> >> > >all imho, of course > > >//d > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16088; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:34 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16039 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:30 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092128.EXLT20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:28 +0800 Message-ID: <00cc01be7a8e$8fb808a0$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:10:45 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Emanuel Levy To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >While your system may not be directly affected it does affect your system. >If the net is flooded by traffic from this it impairs your service. If an >ISP has to take down their mail servers to purge this that affects you too. >So while you may not run windows you are affected > >-----Original Message----- >From: jason@erasure.sektortech.com >[mailto:jason@erasure.sektortech.com]On Behalf Of Jason Czerak >Sent: Sunday, March 28, 1999 7:21 PM >To: systalk@dhs.org >Subject: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype > > >Well this funny little virus was on tv this morning. According to the >tv: > >1. Every computer is effected >2. There is no excape >3. don't open all your mail >4. World is comming to and end. > > >well the last 3 are the impressions I got from the report. But the first >one is what cought my eye. This thing is a windows only virus. >correct? yep. I'm on linux. no viruses here. second. it's an MS Out look >express thing. Nope. no out look express anywhere on my machine and I >bet there is a good amount of ppl that don't use Out look express, namly >the few million AOL users, majority of Windows online group, for a >start. Come on I know they are trying to make the infomration about the >virus in plain english but they don't have to lie about the major >aspects. Just come out and say it only effects window users useing >outlook express (tho I'm not use 100% if is only outlook express please >correct me if I'm wrong ) > >Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at >times.... > > >-- >Jason Czerak > Jason@sektortech.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16015; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:20 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16009 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:17 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092115.EXLN20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:15 +0800 Message-ID: <00ca01be7a8e$880f4780$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:09:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Kurt A. Huhn MCSE, CNA, MCP To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >This virus: >1. affects Windows only >2. is contained in a Word document as a Macro >3. is only effective if Outlook97/98 or Outlook Express is on your machine - >with entries in the address book >4. will not affect your computer if you have none or only some of the above >5. will not affect your computer if you don't open the attached document >6. wil not affect your computer if you open the document, but disable macros >7. is not on every computer >8. can be cleaned from systems (see www.nai.com) >9. should only affect idiots >10. has no effect on the sheduled end of the world 4 billion years from now > >Yes, the media is blowing this thing totally out of proportion. I read a >writeup in the Providence Journal on Sunday morning that fairly well >informed though. All this computer scaremongering by the media really >pisses me off sometimes. > >Kurt >kurthuhn@k-huhn.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Czerak >To: systalk@dhs.org >Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 4:17 AM >Subject: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype > > >>Well this funny little virus was on tv this morning. According to the >>tv: >> >>1. Every computer is effected >>2. There is no excape >>3. don't open all your mail >>4. World is comming to and end. >> >> >>well the last 3 are the impressions I got from the report. But the first >>one is what cought my eye. This thing is a windows only virus. >>correct? yep. I'm on linux. no viruses here. second. it's an MS Out look >>express thing. Nope. no out look express anywhere on my machine and I >>bet there is a good amount of ppl that don't use Out look express, namly >>the few million AOL users, majority of Windows online group, for a >>start. Come on I know they are trying to make the infomration about the >>virus in plain english but they don't have to lie about the major >>aspects. Just come out and say it only effects window users useing >>outlook express (tho I'm not use 100% if is only outlook express please >>correct me if I'm wrong ) >> >>Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at >>times.... >> >> >>-- >>Jason Czerak >> Jason@sektortech.com >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org >> > >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16125; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:52 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16120 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:50 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092141.EXLZ20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:41 +0800 Message-ID: <00ce01be7a8e$97cea6c0$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:11:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Matthew McGehrin To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:30 AM Subject: RE: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype On 29 Mar 99, at 12:10, Emanuel Levy wrote: > While your system may not be directly affected it does affect your system. > If the net is flooded by traffic from this it impairs your service. If an > ISP has to take down their mail servers to purge this that affects you too. > So while you may not run windows you are affected Who cares. I don't use my isp's mail servers. I run my own. Anyhow, the "Extra" load shouldnt affect unix based mail servers. Its only NT servers that can't handle the load. -- Mattjew end ### --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16143; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:56 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16126 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:53 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092148.EXMB20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:48 +0800 Message-ID: <00cf01be7a8e$9bee8f40$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:11:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Sean DeSouza To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >Well... i use windows... i use outlook express... > >and I got no e-mail with a word document attached. > >also i'd not be a fool and open up crap from an e-mail.. > >whats the virus do anyways? > >-Sean D. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kurt A. Huhn MCSE, CNA, MCP >To: systalk@dhs.org >Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype > > >>This virus: >>1. affects Windows only >>2. is contained in a Word document as a Macro >>3. is only effective if Outlook97/98 or Outlook Express is on your >machine - >>with entries in the address book >>4. will not affect your computer if you have none or only some of the above >>5. will not affect your computer if you don't open the attached document >>6. wil not affect your computer if you open the document, but disable >macros >>7. is not on every computer >>8. can be cleaned from systems (see www.nai.com) >>9. should only affect idiots >>10. has no effect on the sheduled end of the world 4 billion years from now >> >>Yes, the media is blowing this thing totally out of proportion. I read a >>writeup in the Providence Journal on Sunday morning that fairly well >>informed though. All this computer scaremongering by the media really >>pisses me off sometimes. >> >>Kurt >>kurthuhn@k-huhn.com >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jason Czerak >>To: systalk@dhs.org >>Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 4:17 AM >>Subject: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >> >> >>>Well this funny little virus was on tv this morning. According to the >>>tv: >>> >>>1. Every computer is effected >>>2. There is no excape >>>3. don't open all your mail >>>4. World is comming to and end. >>> >>> >>>well the last 3 are the impressions I got from the report. But the first >>>one is what cought my eye. This thing is a windows only virus. >>>correct? yep. I'm on linux. no viruses here. second. it's an MS Out look >>>express thing. Nope. no out look express anywhere on my machine and I >>>bet there is a good amount of ppl that don't use Out look express, namly >>>the few million AOL users, majority of Windows online group, for a >>>start. Come on I know they are trying to make the infomration about the >>>virus in plain english but they don't have to lie about the major >>>aspects. Just come out and say it only effects window users useing >>>outlook express (tho I'm not use 100% if is only outlook express please >>>correct me if I'm wrong ) >>> >>>Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at >>>times.... >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Jason Czerak >>> Jason@sektortech.com >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org >>> >> >>________________________________________________________ >>NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >>Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >>http://www.netzero.net/download.html >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16164; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:00 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16157 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:58 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092155.EXMC20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:55 +0800 Message-ID: <00d001be7a8e$a0179f80$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:07 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jason Czerak To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >Matthew McGehrin wrote: > >> On 29 Mar 99, at 12:10, Emanuel Levy wrote: >> >> > While your system may not be directly affected it does affect your system. >> > If the net is flooded by traffic from this it impairs your service. If an >> > ISP has to take down their mail servers to purge this that affects you too. >> > So while you may not run windows you are affected >> >> Who cares. I don't use my isp's mail servers. I run my own. >> Anyhow, the "Extra" load shouldnt affect unix based mail servers. >> >> Its only NT servers that can't handle the load. >> > >When is the TV media going to get a clue. and actully start some reports on the >quality of MS software.. you know if I was a good writer and tv type of person I >would work my way to to get on cnn or something national and start some tv >reports on this stuff., site examples and facts. :) But then again I'm >dreaming. > >-- >Jason Czerak -- (Jason@sektortech.com) -- www.sektortech.com > "Media, they're just as bad as lawyers when the truth is at hand." > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16187; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:07 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16180 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:04 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092201.EXME20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:01 +0800 Message-ID: <00d101be7a8e$a3a07820$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] .CA Internet Registration Authority Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:29 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Miller To: UA-C@CCEN.UCCB.NS.CA ; list@ifwp.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:39 AM Subject: [IFWP] .CA Internet Registration Authority http://www.canarie.ca/cdncc/main.html (www.cira.ca is only a redirection page at present) Public Consultation On The Administration Of The Canadian Internet Domain Name .CA By The Canadian Domain Name Consultative Committee. "... All admissible comments received electronically will be archived in the World Wide Web site at www.canarie.ca/cdncc/comments for public consultation unless otherwise explicitly requested to be excluded." [Nothing is there] "Following the consultation period the CDNCC will meet to discuss the comments received and make changes to the proposal for the administration of the .CA domain name as is deemed appropriate by the committee. "The final recommendation for the administration of the .CA domain name will then be posted on the web site by March 15, 1998." [ The frontpage (updated 19 Jan) lists the "Final Report of the CDNCC"-- but it hails from 15 Sep 98. BylawV71 -- "IN WITNESS WHEREOF we have set our hands at the City of Ottawa, on the * day of *, 19*." may or may not be this "final recommendation" but it seems to avoid most of the tangles ICANN has gotten into. In any case, the original proposals put forward for comment are still up, at http://www.canarie.ca/cdncc/main.html In particular, I note as part of the Board Structure:] ~/board.html 14.1 Membership It is further recommended that the members of CIRA should be the domain name licensees and therefore be the ones to elect the directors to the Board. It is illegal in Canada to require someone to become a member of a corporation. This implies that the domain name [*]licensees[*] must formally signify their willingness to be a member of CIRA..." and the sections of ~/bylwawv71.html "CONDITIONS OF MEMBERSHIP 46. Membership in the Corporation shall be limited to Registrants who shall become Members at the time of becoming a Registrant. Registrants shall have the right to refuse or rescind membership at any time. Members who cease to be Registrants or fail to pay membership fees, if any, or Registrants fees (in accordance with the Corporation's policies) shall no longer be Members of the Corporation forthwith after such event." and 11. Directors need not be Members. [No grandfather clause for extant registrants? One can resign; can one later rejoin? Can a resigned member be a Director? It appears that if one *voluntarily* wishes to have a .ca registration, one is a voting member of CIRA. (Is more formality than ones signature on the registration application required ?)] "The committee also recommends that the Federal Government of Canada have a permanent seat on the CIRA Board as an ex-officio member (non-voting). Additionally it is recommended that the other three member organizations of the committee (.CA Committee, CAIP and CISOC) each be guaranteed one seat on the CIRA Board for the [*]first three years[*] of operation of the corporation (these reserved seats would be part of the 10 directors leaving only 7 seats to be filled by elections for the first three years. The individuals representing these groups would be appointed as directors annually by each group respectively in a manner of their choosing.). This is intended to insure additional stability at the beginning of operations." [ FYI, these are Bernard Turcotte of the Canadian Internet Society as the Internet Users Director, Robert Hall of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers as the Commercial Interests Director and John Demco of the .CA Committee of the Canadian Domain Name Consultative Committee as the Registrars Director. Seven other Directors will be chosen by the 'at large' Members.] "V71.13. The Chair of the Corporation shall set a date each year for the election, by electronic vote as provided in paragraph 16, of the Members' Directors of the Corporation (the "Directors Election Day")... "50. The annual or any other general or special meeting of the Members shall be held at the head office of the Corporation or at any place in Canada as the Board may determine and on such day as the Board shall determine. "52. At every annual general meeting of Members, in addition to any other business that may be transacted: (a) the report of the Board, the financial statements and the report of the auditors shall be presented to the Members and, (b) the auditors of the Corporation shall be appointed by the Members for the ensuing year. The Members may consider and transact any business either special or general at any meeting of the Members." [Its difficult for me to see what other business there might be that would require physical presence, when Director elections can be conducted electronically. Is this all just incorporation boilerplate? ] ============ In view of concerns about names as property, the CIRA Corporation seems in position to claim 'eminent domain' over any and all 'intellectual property' rights in names that are not covered by trademark. Im not sure this is a bad way to go, but it might be worth spelling it out further. Cheers, kerry From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16206; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:14 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16201 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:10 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092207.EXMG20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:07 +0800 Message-ID: <00d201be7a8e$a76c7440$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Cc: Subject: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Mark Symonds To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype >> Matthew McGehrin wrote: >> >> > Its only NT servers that can't handle the load. >> > >> > >Indeed. > >--Mark > >----- >Good night to spend with family, but avoid arguments with your mate's >new lover. >---------- >(Linux fortune) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16227; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:21 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.0.156]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16222 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:18 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092214.EXMI20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:14 +0800 Message-ID: <00d301be7a8e$ab5a0220$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: , Subject: Fw: [Systalk] ProMail heheh Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:14:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Scott To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: [Systalk] ProMail heheh March 23 — A freeware e-mail program named ProMail, which has been distributed by software Web sites such as shareware.com, is really a Trojan horse. It sends user names and passwords in encrypted form to an account on free e-mail provider NetAddress. But aside from that, ProMail is a fully functional e-mail client, and a robust one at that, say the security experts who discovered its secret. http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/promail.htm -Jesse --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16251; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:28 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16243 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:25 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092220.EXML20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:20 +0800 Message-ID: <00d401be7a8e$b04c7ce0$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: TMnet Operations - Service Interuption. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:17:23 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Postmaster@tm.net.my To: TMnet Valued Customer Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 10:00 AM Subject: TMnet Operations - Service Interuption. >Subject: TMnet Operations - Service Interuption. >Message Identification number: 0324199944722 >Approval: Head Operation, Internet Services >URL: http://www.tmnet.com.my/frontdesk/03241999.html > >Dear TMnet Customers, > >There will be an interruption to internet services on the following date and time : > >2:00 a.m Thursday, April 1st 1999 to > >5:00 a.m Thursday, April 1st 1999 > >TMnet would like to apologise to all customers for any inconvenience caused. > > >Disclaimer: > >The content of this message is correct at time it was sent, however, there may be changes at any time.If you wish clarification , you may send email to support@tm.net.my. 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Emails sent without a corresponding URL are to be considered false. > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:22:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16269; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:35 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16264 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:22:32 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092229.EXMR20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:29 +0800 Message-ID: <00d501be7a8e$b4af88e0$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:20:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bob Allisat To: Greg Skinner Cc: list@ifwp.org ; netizens@columbia.edu Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire > >Greg Skinner writes: >> Possibly, but what happens if either "government" or "science" >> encounters problems that may not be technically unsolvable, but are >> practically unsolvable because of the high level of politics and >> controversy that surrounds them, so much so that it actually drains >> the energy of those who attempt to solve them? >> >> (edit)... You should not expect "government" or "science" to be able >> to solve any problem that comes along, particularly when those problems >> are highly complex and controversial. > > Dammit Greg that's just when so-called government > and bloody science is supposed to work to find > solutions! Have we sunk to such depths of apathy > to actually believe the rhetoric of those in whose > interests it is to perpetuate great problems?! Not > me, baby! See when a regime or a group of so-called > scientists start moaning or whining about how the > world is so cruel and how everything is so bad even > they can't do anything about anything it's not time > to call it quits. It's time to kick those bastards > out of office, find some new, vibrant thinkers to > replace the oldbies and move as rapidly as possible > towards f*cking solutions and away from stasis or > rather decay or corruption and anything or anyone > associated with same. See we have the choice. > > Bob Allisat > > Free Community Network ... bob@fcn.net __ http://fcn.net > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:23:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16363; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:23:44 GMT Received: from md.egroups.com (md.egroups.com [207.138.41.139]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA16356 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:23:40 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by md.egroups.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 1999 09:22:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ap-forum-owner@egroups.com X-Mailing-List: ap-forum@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/ap-forum/ Reply-To: ap-forum@egroups.com Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups-ap-forum@eGroups.com Received: (qmail 21665 invoked by uid 7770); 30 Mar 1999 09:22:15 -0000 Received: from pop.tm.net.my (HELO cgi2.tm.net.my) (202.188.0.156) by vault.egroups.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 09:22:15 -0000 Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092214.EXMI20160@gtcorp-sys1>; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:22:14 +0800 Message-ID: <00d301be7a8e$ab5a0220$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: , Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:14:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Subject: [ap-forum] Fw: [Systalk] ProMail heheh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Scott To: systalk@dhs.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: [Systalk] ProMail heheh March 23 — A freeware e-mail program named ProMail, which has been distributed by software Web sites such as shareware.com, is really a Trojan horse. It sends user names and passwords in encrypted form to an account on free e-mail provider NetAddress. But aside from that, ProMail is a fully functional e-mail client, and a robust one at that, say the security experts who discovered its secret. http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/promail.htm -Jesse --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups Spotlight: "Kosovo-Reports" - Direct reports from Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia. http://offers.egroups.com/click/252/0 eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/ap-forum Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:29:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16727; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:29:47 GMT Received: from gandolf.dso.net (gandolf.dso.net [206.171.190.68]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16722 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:29:43 GMT Received: (from wwalsh@localhost) by gandolf.dso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/DSOModsV1) id BAA24770; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:29:00 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00d001be7a8e$a0179f80$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: "William X. Walsh" To: list@ifwp.org Subject: RE: [IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Cc: ap-forum@apnic.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Were all these forwards to a list not related to viruses really necessary or appropriate? On 30-Mar-99 Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch) wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Czerak > To: systalk@dhs.org > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:38 AM > Subject: Re: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype > > > >Matthew McGehrin wrote: > > > >> On 29 Mar 99, at 12:10, Emanuel Levy wrote: > >> > >> > While your system may not be directly affected it does affect your > system. > >> > If the net is flooded by traffic from this it impairs your service. If > an > >> > ISP has to take down their mail servers to purge this that affects you > too. > >> > So while you may not run windows you are affected > >> > >> Who cares. I don't use my isp's mail servers. I run my own. > >> Anyhow, the "Extra" load shouldnt affect unix based mail servers. > >> > >> Its only NT servers that can't handle the load. > >> > > > >When is the TV media going to get a clue. and actully start some reports on > the > >quality of MS software.. you know if I was a good writer and tv type of > person I > >would work my way to to get on cnn or something national and start some tv > >reports on this stuff., site examples and facts. :) But then again I'm > >dreaming. > > > >-- > >Jason Czerak -- (Jason@sektortech.com) -- www.sektortech.com > > "Media, they're just as bad as lawyers when the truth is at hand." > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: systalk-unsubscribe@dhs.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: systalk-help@dhs.org > > ---------------------------------- William X. Walsh General Manager, DSo Internet Services Date: 30-Mar-99 Time: 01:28:21 ---------------------------------- "We don't accept any property claim to (registry information). Network Solutions has been exploiting this to drive their own business." --Michael Roberts, ICANN http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/netsol990326.html From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:46:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA17840; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:46:32 GMT Received: from condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com (condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com [199.108.175.226]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17834 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:46:29 GMT Received: from hawk (hawk.lvrmr.mhsc.com [199.108.175.236]) by condor.lvrmr.mhsc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27066; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:46:04 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990330013432.03d07e70@pop.mhsc.com> X-Sender: rmeyer@pop.mhsc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:46:03 -0800 To: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" Subject: Re: [IFWP] Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype Cc: , In-Reply-To: <00c901be7a8e$845d3c00$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Zen, Between Nanog, CERT advisories (CA), and the discussion on NTbugTraq, I get lots of junk on this Mellissa macro virus already. I don't need to see it here as well. If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the CERT advisory. That goes for anyone else on this list. Although, most of us actually running mail servers probably already have the CA. Yes, I've already modified my sendmail filters to catch this puppy at the mail-hub, before it gets to my users. At 05:08 PM 3/30/99 +0800, Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch) wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Czerak >To: systalk@dhs.org >Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:23 PM >Subject: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype ___________________________________________________ Roeland M.J. Meyer - e-mail: mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com Internet phone: hawk.lvrmr.mhsc.com Personal web pages: http://staff.mhsc.com/~rmeyer Company web-site: http://www.mhsc.com ___________________________________________________ KISS ... gotta love it! From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 09:47:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16111; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:40 GMT Received: from cgi2.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.14]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16104 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:37 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.125]) by cgi2.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990330092134.EXLU20160@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:21:34 +0800 Message-ID: <00cd01be7a8e$939df560$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] 'Ownership' of the name space Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:11:19 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Craig McTaggart To: list@ifwp.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:13 AM Subject: [IFWP] 'Ownership' of the name space >Kent Crispin wrote: > > > >> Neither the gTLD-MoU (note, by the way the "gTLD" part of the name), >> nor ICANN, claim "ownership" of the name space, and the very notion >> is almost totally meaningless. >> > >Precisely. But there's a lot of other people who disagree. > >Using certain characters as a trade-mark does not give the user ownership of >that particular combination of characters, any more than use of certain >characters as a domain name gives the user ownership of that domain name. > >Certain rights to exclusive use of certain characters in certain contexts >are available through trade-mark law, but the nature of the property >interest granted is not ownership. Trade-marks can be used, not owned. >Registered trade-marks can be held, not owned. Trade-marks can not be >bought or sold. Trade-mark registrations can be transferred as a >consequence of private transactions or court orders, provided the trade-mark >registration authority recognizes the transaction or court order and records >the transfer. Almost the exact same analysis applies to domain names. The >only difference is that the monopoly-granting registration authority is a >public agency in the case of trade-marks. NSI used to have the dint of >public authority behind it. ICANN (actually its licensed registrars) will >be in the private monopoly-granting business. This should make for >interesting times. > >Anyway, back to my rant. Sloppy statements like "I own the trademark for >WonderBumf" or "I bought the domain name " are legally >meaningless. They only further the twin popular misconceptions that domain >names are trade-marks and that domain names can be owned. > >Professor Mueller suggests that we figure out what the relevant property >interests are and move on. > >The problem is that using the word 'ownership' with reference to any >Internet elements other than hardware and proprietary software contradicts >the nature of Internet names and numbers as globally shared public >resources. The big hoo-ha right now is over assignment and exclusive use of >Internet names (and to a much lesser extent numbers), *not* ownership. I >hate to say it again, but you don't pay annual fees to keep things you own. >The concept of ownership has no place in this discussion. > >Domain name registrations can be held, not owned. If the Virginia State >Court in the Umbro case said that domain names are property which are >susceptible of ownership, it was wrong. If it said that domain name >registrations can be the subject of an order for garnishment and/or judicial >sale because they sometimes have market value and therefore behave like >property, then it was right. But that doesn't mean that anybody owns the >domain name in question. > >Nobody, not ICANN, NSI, the estate of Jon Postel, nor even the USG, owns the >name space. If portions of the name space can be owned, then we first have >to figure out who owns which ones. We don't want to do that. Fortunately >you will rarely find the word 'ownership' in USG or ICANN documents, the >drafters of which recognized that the name and number spaces are global >public resources. That means we have to find a way to share them, instead >of a few owning them and renting them to everybody else. There is a lot >more than semantics at stake. > >Craig McTaggart >Graduate Student >University of Toronto >Faculty of Law >craig.mctaggart@utoronto.ca > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 15:05:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA00126; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:04:59 GMT Received: from perfekt.perfekt.net (perfekt.net [205.230.176.10]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00121 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:04:56 GMT Received: from iciiu.org (slip-ppp-1-180.perfekt.net [205.230.176.180]) by perfekt.perfekt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20981; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:06:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3700E7BB.FE0FF6CA@iciiu.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:03:23 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" CC: ap-forum@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org Subject: Re: Fw: [Systalk] Mellissa virus and media hype References: <00c901be7a8e$845d3c00$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch) a écrit: > > >Stupid media. There just as bad as lawers when it comes to the truth at > >times.... They can't be as bad as lawyers, can they? :) From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Tue Mar 30 15:12:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA00401; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:19 GMT Received: from perfekt.perfekt.net (perfekt.net [205.230.176.10]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00393 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:17 GMT Received: from iciiu.org (slip-ppp-1-180.perfekt.net [205.230.176.180]) by perfekt.perfekt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21065; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3700E975.49329AF2@iciiu.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:10:45 -0500 From: Michael Sondow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" CC: ap-forum@apnic.net, "Int'l Forum on the White Paper" Subject: Re: Fw: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire References: <00d501be7a8e$b4af88e0$7d3abcca@gtcorp-sys1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Xian- While you may find the subject of the Melissa virus interesting, I do not, and I am not at all amused to find twenty messages from you, posted to the ap-forum and IFWP lists, in my mail this morning. Why are you copying all the messages from one list to another? I think you are abusing the privilege of being on these mailing lists. This is not the first time you have done that, if I recall rightly. And aren't you the person who started that bogus initiative to form a wildcat ASO? This spamming of the lists by you has got to stop. It's time you learned to discipline yourself, before you have to be disciplined by others.