From owner-apnic-talk Sun Oct 5 18:18:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) id SAA12159 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from excelsior (excelsior.apnic.net [202.12.28.226]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA12147; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:18:07 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971005174422.00968e60@apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 17:44:22 To: Takashi Arano From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: Re: Why does confederation needs English documents? Cc: Takashi Arano , apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <199709251210.VAA12484@byd.ocn.ad.jp> References: <199709190455.NAA10916@palmtree.jp.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, Sorry for the slow reply... >And these reasons seems to imply that the documents are for APNIC and >APNIC members, not for the confederation members. Is this right? Yes, more or less. The confederations would have the policy documents in their local language, thus they would not need to rely on the translated documents provided to APNIC. However, there have been cases where a foreign ISP has set up in a country where there were no policy documents available in English and as a result, APNIC received queries regarding the confederation's policies. >Another aspect is maintenance of the documents. Must the confederation >registry re-submit updated documents to APNIC when it changes its policy? If it doesn't: - resource allocation policies among the various confederations are likely to become unsynchronized - other confederations may re-invent the policy wheel - complaints directed to APNIC regarding confederation policies would likely result in confusion among the various parties involved - APNIC would not be able to verify the new policies conform to standard registry guidelines >Maintenance often needs more efforts than one-time translation. I am, of course, open to counter-proposals... Regards, -drc _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Oct 22 00:21:07 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id AAA04535 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from rs.thnic.net (rs.thnic.net [202.28.0.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA04527; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:20:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (suwat@localhost) by rs.thnic.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA26494; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:40:16 +0700 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:40:15 +0700 (GMT+7:00) From: Suwat Panitkullawat To: "David R. Conrad" cc: apnic-talk@apnic.net Subject: Re: confederations and ASN allocation In-Reply-To: <199709180421.NAA08868@palmtree.jp.apnic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, David R. Conrad wrote: > > 4. Independent of amount of address space -- ASNs are allocated if > and only if the routing policy of a site differs from that of its > upstream providers. The only relationship between ASes and amount of > address space is that you need at least one (1) IP address to make an > ASN worthwhile. The determining factor is what routes you accept > from/announce to which of your providers. See RFC 1930 for details. Dear David, What's if the only one IP address is that borrowed from his ISP? Let say, if a small university borrowed one class C block from ISP1. And this university want to connect to another ISP (ISP2) for load sharing. Since only one IP block is enough so this university do not get IP block from ISP2. Is it possible for this university to request for it own ASN with the only IP block that borrowed from ISP1? Thanks, Suwat Panitkullawat.. _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Oct 22 12:11:52 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA07795 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:11:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from home2.nic.ad.jp (home2.nic.ad.jp [202.12.30.66]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id MAA07790; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from star74.nic.ad.jp by home2.nic.ad.jp (8.6.11/TISN-1.3/R2) id MAA17692; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:08:41 +0900 Received: by star74.nic.ad.jp (5.67+1.6W/jpsec1.1) id AA11419; Wed, 22 Oct 97 12:17:12 JST Message-Id: <9710220317.AA11419@star74.nic.ad.jp> To: apnic-talk@apnic.net Cc: apnic-announce@apnic.net Subject: New Developments in the Domain Name System X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.28.4, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:17:12 +0900 From: OOHASHI Yumi Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk 20 October 1997 Revised. on 21 Oct. Symposium "New Developments in the Domain Name System" JPNIC is pleased to announce that it will host a symposium titled "New Developments in the Domain Name System" as described below. As this symposium is open to the public, please feel free to distribute this announcement to everywhere you would like. The main theme of the symposium is development of Internet Top Level Domain Names which has been discussed internationally since last year. Mr. David W. Maher, chairman of the interim Policy Oversight Committee (iPOC) which has taken a role of leadership for this issue, Mr. David Crocker of the Internet Mail Consortium, (former iPOC member appointed by IANA), and the iPOC members Mr. Albert Tramposch of WIPO (appointed by WIPO), Dr. William Black of Nominet, UK (appointed by IANA), Mr. Patrik Faltstrom of Tele2, Sweden (appointed by IAB), Mr. Robert Shaw of ITU (appointed by ITU), Prof. Jun Murai, President of JPNIC, Japan (appointed by ISOC) will report the recent status of the subject and hold a Q and A session. We are looking forward to your attendance at the symposium. We would appreciate it if you kindly send the application form attached below. Title: New Developments in the Domain Name System - An Opportunity to Meet Members of the interim Policy Oversight Committee (iPOC) to Discuss Policy and Legal Aspects of the new Top Level Domains - (with English/Japanese Interpretation) Date: Nov. 7, 1997 (Fri.) 10:00 - 15:00 (Break 12:00 - 13:00) Place: Kudan Kaikan, Shinju no ma (Shinju Room) Kudan Minami 1-6-5, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 102, Japan Phone: +81-3-3261-5521 Access: Subways: Tozai Line, Hanzoumon Line, Shinjuku Line, Kudan Station EXT #4, 1 min. Fee: Free Capacity: 200 Application Deadline: Oct. 31, 1997 Contents(draft): 1. Legal and Policy Aspects of the creation of the International Ad Hoc Committee, the signing of the gTLD-MoU, and the creation of iPOC and CORE. 2. Technical Aspects of the New Top Level Domains 3. Trademark Aspects of the Domain Name System For more information, please contact to: Japan Network Information Center(JPNIC) Business Group 2. Mansui Bldg. 3F, 2-9-18 Kanda-Surugadai Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan E-mail: secretariat@nic.ad.jp Telephone: +81-3-3219-1601 FAX(G3,G4): +81-3-5280-7199 As for development of Top Level Domains, you could find detailed information on: http://www.gtld-mou.org/ For your reference, this symposium is also announced at Events Calendar on the web site. -------------CUT HERE---------------------------- Application Form for the symposium: "New Developments in the Domain Name System" Send to: E-mail: tld-meeting@nic.ad.jp or Fax: +81-3-5280-7199 I would like to attend the symposium on Nov. 7, 1997 [Name] [E-mail] [Fax] [Title] [Comment] -------------CUT HERE---------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Oct 22 16:03:47 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id QAA09394 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA09389; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:03:41 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (ts900-4215.singnet.com.sg [165.21.154.35]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA11665; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:05:52 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 15:07:56 Subject: RE: New Developments in the Domain Name System To: apnic-talk@apnic.net, OOHASHI Yumi Cc: apnic-announce@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Just curious. Why have you not included anyone who has been working on alternative proposals to the IAHC ones, e.g. NSF, NSI, White House committee members, etc? Is that not the latests developments? Laina RG --- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:17:12 +0900 OOHASHI Yumi wrote: 20 October 1997 Revised. on 21 Oct. Symposium "New Developments in the Domain Name System" JPNIC is pleased to announce that it will host a symposium titled "New Developments in the Domain Name System" as described below. As this symposium is open to the public, please feel free to distribute this announcement to everywhere you would like. The main theme of the symposium is development of Internet Top Level Domain Names which has been discussed internationally since last year. Mr. David W. Maher, chairman of the interim Policy Oversight Committee (iPOC) which has taken a role of leadership for this issue, Mr. David Crocker of the Internet Mail Consortium, (former iPOC member appointed by IANA), and the iPOC members Mr. Albert Tramposch of WIPO (appointed by WIPO), Dr. William Black of Nominet, UK (appointed by IANA), Mr. Patrik Faltstrom of Tele2, Sweden (appointed by IAB), Mr. Robert Shaw of ITU (appointed by ITU), Prof. Jun Murai, President of JPNIC, Japan (appointed by ISOC) will report the recent status of the subject and hold a Q and A session. We are looking forward to your attendance at the symposium. We would appreciate it if you kindly send the application form attached below. Title: New Developments in the Domain Name System - An Opportunity to Meet Members of the interim Policy Oversight Committee (iPOC) to Discuss Policy and Legal Aspects of the new Top Level Domains - (with English/Japanese Interpretation) Date: Nov. 7, 1997 (Fri.) 10:00 - 15:00 (Break 12:00 - 13:00) Place: Kudan Kaikan, Shinju no ma (Shinju Room) Kudan Minami 1-6-5, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 102, Japan Phone: +81-3-3261-5521 Access: Subways: Tozai Line, Hanzoumon Line, Shinjuku Line, Kudan Station EXT #4, 1 min. Fee: Free Capacity: 200 Application Deadline: Oct. 31, 1997 Contents(draft): 1. Legal and Policy Aspects of the creation of the International Ad Hoc Committee, the signing of the gTLD-MoU, and the creation of iPOC and CORE. 2. Technical Aspects of the New Top Level Domains 3. Trademark Aspects of the Domain Name System For more information, please contact to: Japan Network Information Center(JPNIC) Business Group 2. Mansui Bldg. 3F, 2-9-18 Kanda-Surugadai Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan E-mail: secretariat@nic.ad.jp Telephone: +81-3-3219-1601 FAX(G3,G4): +81-3-5280-7199 As for development of Top Level Domains, you could find detailed information on: http://www.gtld-mou.org/ For your reference, this symposium is also announced at Events Calendar on the web site. -------------CUT HERE---------------------------- Application Form for the symposium: "New Developments in the Domain Name System" Send to: E-mail: tld-meeting@nic.ad.jp or Fax: +81-3-5280-7199 I would like to attend the symposium on Nov. 7, 1997 [Name] [E-mail] [Fax] [Title] [Comment] -------------CUT HERE---------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 10/22/97 Time: 3:07:56 PM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Oct 22 22:23:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA12048 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from sunnm.ism.ac.jp (sunnm.ism.ac.jp [133.58.1.18]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA12035; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:23:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by sunnm.ism.ac.jp (5.67+1.6W/2.08subd-mx) id AA10278; Wed, 22 Oct 97 22:25:34 JST Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 22:25:34 JST Message-Id: <9710221325.AA10278@sunnm.ism.ac.jp> To: apnic-talk@apnic.net From: maruyama@nic.ad.jp Reply-To: maruyama@nic.ad.jp Cc: apnic-announce@apnic.net, OOHASHI Yumi , g2@nic.ad.jp In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: New Developments in the Domain Name System Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >From: laina@singnet.com.sg >Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 15:07:56 >Just curious. Why have you not included anyone who has been working on >alternative proposals to the IAHC ones, e.g. NSF, NSI, White House >committee members, etc? Is that not the latests developments? > >Laina RG The symposium is an implementation of an "Information session" originally planed by iPOC(see http://www.gtld-mou.org Events calendar), so that it innately consists only of iPOC/POC members. ---- N. Maruyama (JPNIC staff) maruyama@nic.ad.jp >--- On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:17:12 +0900 OOHASHI Yumi >wrote: > 20 October 1997 > Revised. on 21 Oct. > > Symposium > "New Developments in the Domain Name System" _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Thu Oct 23 14:21:26 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA16049 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:21:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from excelsior (excelsior.apnic.net [202.12.28.226]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.6/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA16037; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:21:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971023142824.00962550@apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:28:24 To: Suwat Panitkullawat From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: Re: confederations and ASN allocation Cc: apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: References: <199709180421.NAA08868@palmtree.jp.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, >> 4. Independent of amount of address space -- ASNs are allocated if >> and only if the routing policy of a site differs from that of its >> upstream providers. The only relationship between ASes and amount of >> address space is that you need at least one (1) IP address to make an >> ASN worthwhile. The determining factor is what routes you accept >> from/announce to which of your providers. See RFC 1930 for details. >What's if the only one IP address is that borrowed from his ISP? Not particularly relevant. >Let say, if a small university borrowed one class C block from ISP1. What's a "class C block"? (:-)). >And >this university want to connect to another ISP (ISP2) for load sharing. >Since only one IP block is enough so this university do not get IP block >from ISP2. Right. It does mean, however, that a more specific will be announced in order to get the multi-homing desired. Since some ISPs filter more specifics, there will be cases in which the university will get sub-optimal routing. >Is it possible for this university to request for it own ASN with the >only IP block that borrowed from ISP1? Sure. Regards, -drc _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+