From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Wed Dec 1 11:31:13 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA69961; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:31:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA69943 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:31:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id KAA05259; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:30:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id KAA07272; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:30:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id KAA28503; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:30:54 +0900 (JST) To: anne@apnic.net Cc: ip-v6@nic.ad.jp, nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: Re: [JPNIC ip-v6 100] Re: IPv6 sub-TLA allocation service at NIR. From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991122161603J.kazu@iijlab.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b7 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991201103123O.kazu@iijlab.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 10:31:23 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 9911124(IM134) Lines: 40 Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Anne, From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: [JPNIC ip-v6 100] Re: IPv6 sub-TLA allocation service at NIR. > JPNIC. A procedural difference over where the reverse delegations are > managed from - does not affect the larger principle of registration, > which is a distributed responsibility through the hierarchy of the > registry system from IANA-RIR-NIR-LIR. While an organisation > obtains IPv6 address space through JPNIC and is JPNIC's member, > JPNIC has that responsibility. It goes with the job. First of all, what I want to let you know is that we can't simply apply the IPv4 case to the IPv6 case. And I believe you have already noticed the difference. Second think we should realize is that it is not so easy to encourage sub-TLA holders to maintain the APNIC DB since there is no carrot. Third, wearing a JPNIC hat, it is not practical for JPNIC to have responsibility on maintenance of APNIC DB mainly because of the lack of human power. And I don't understand the case of WIDE/NTT where the sub-TLA holders directly obtained sub-TLA from APNIC. > Does JPNIC have support for an IPv6 network object? If so, your members > can register in the JPNIC database. This can then be mirrored as it > is today. JPNIC decided to not maintain IPv6 objects in the JPNIC DB at the *start point*. I will explain it in another message. P.S. Wearing a WIDE hat, IPv6 working group of WIDE Project decided to carry out experiment of sub DB under APNIC, including DB-DB updata protocol, effective arrangement of DNS servers for reverse lookup. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Mon Dec 13 13:15:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA84642; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:15:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA84629 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:14:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id MAA24891 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:14:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id MAA20213 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:14:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id MAA10293 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:14:55 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:15:48 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: JPNIC sTLA service From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b11 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all, JPNIC is planning to start the agent service for IPv6 sTLA application/assignment. We JPNIC would like to ask several questions to clarify the service. NOTE: The service will start in January, 2000. If you have some comments, please speak up NOW. (1) When an ISP in Japan uses the service, it first have to obtain an APNIC handle. We have two questions on this procedure: - What kind of information does APNIC authenticate before APNIC assigns an APNIC handle to the applicant? (e.g. E-mail reachability only) - How does APNIC authenticate it? (e.g. Checking JPNIC DB) (2) As I said before, JPNIC can't have responsibility to update APNIC DB for ISPs that obtains sTLA through the JPNIC service. JPNIC assumes that it is ISPs that have responsibility to update APNIC DB. Please understand this point. (3) Let us ask a question on reverse lookup. Our understanding is that APNIC authorizes /35 zones to sTLA holders(ISPs) and the ISPs themselves maintain the zones. Is this correct? (4) About the fee. The cost for one sTLA is 250 USD. Our understanding is that this fee doesn't apply to multiple sTLAs (that is, in the case that an ISP requests another sTLA because of exhaustion). In other words, APNIC have a cost-plain only for the early period. Right? --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Mon Dec 13 13:54:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA86217; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:54:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA86203 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:53:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id MAA25502 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id MAA27381 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id MAA22061 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:53:56 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:54:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991213.125453.112542885.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: the entire procedure From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b11 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Here is the entire picture of the JPNIC service for sTLA. If you have comments, please speak up right now. (0) JPNIC prepares a web page which is a modification version of APNIC's one. Also, JPNIC prepares some documents on the service. (1) A sTLA applicant of JPNIC member (say an ISP hereafter) first obtains a APNIC handle from APNIC. (2) The ISP fills the web then press the submit button. An email will be sent to the ISP according to the email address in the form. The intention here is authentication of email reachability. (3) When the ISP receives the email, the ISP checks out the form. If there are no errors, the ISP sends the form to JPNIC by email. (4) When JPNIC receives the email from the ISP, JPNIC sees whether or not the form is sent by JPNIC members. If so, JPNIC forwards the form to APNIC. (5) APNIC may want to ask some questions to the ISP. In this case, APNIC sends them to JPNIC. JPNIC then relays questions/answers between APNIC and the ISP. (6) APNIC assigns one sTLA to the ISP then tells APNIC. APNIC relays the notification to the ISP. (7) JPNIC requests payment for the ISP. (8) The ISP pays the fee. (9) JPNIC pays 250 USD into APNIC account. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 15:07:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80607; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80602 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:08 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20131; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020129; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:06:33 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14364; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Kazu, > (1) When an ISP in Japan uses the service, it first have to obtain an > APNIC handle. We have two questions on this procedure: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I understand this to mean an APNIC NIC handle? > - What kind of information does APNIC authenticate > before APNIC assigns an APNIC handle to the applicant? Nothing - anyone can create a NIC handle automatically using the email interface to the APNIC database and completing a person template. > (e.g. E-mail reachability only) > > - How does APNIC authenticate it? > > (e.g. Checking JPNIC DB) There is no checking. THe object wont be created if email cant be sent to the database though. > (2) As I said before, JPNIC can't have responsibility to update APNIC > DB for ISPs that obtains sTLA through the JPNIC service. JPNIC assumes > that it is ISPs that have responsibility to update APNIC DB. Please > understand this point. > Yes, absolutely. ISPs have the responsibility. And JPNIC has responsibility to tell them that. And equally APNIC is responsible for JPNIC, and for JPNIC members - as the parent registry, regardless of where or how. The entire system is based on the concept of delegated responsibility, down to the ISP - as you correctly say. > (3) Let us ask a question on reverse lookup. Our understanding is that > APNIC authorizes /35 zones to sTLA holders(ISPs) and the ISPs > themselves maintain the zones. Is this correct? Yes. They can further delegate individual prefixes and zones of course. > (4) About the fee. The cost for one sTLA is 250 USD. Our understanding > is that this fee doesn't apply to multiple sTLAs (that is, in the case > that an ISP requests another sTLA because of exhaustion). In other > words, APNIC have a cost-plain only for the early period. Right? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cost-plain only" but the fee is based on the fee to NIR's which is : annual NIR membership fee plus per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). Does that make sense? regards, Anne Manager, Member Services -- > > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 15:19:39 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA81333; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA81323 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:32 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20359; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020330; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:18:51 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14885; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:18:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:18:48 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: Re: the entire procedure In-Reply-To: <19991213.125453.112542885.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Kazu, Only one comment -please see below. Otherwise, this looks fine to me. > Here is the entire picture of the JPNIC service for sTLA. If you have > comments, please speak up right now. > > (0) JPNIC prepares a web page which is a modification version of > APNIC's one. Also, JPNIC prepares some documents on the service. > > (1) A sTLA applicant of JPNIC member (say an ISP hereafter) first > obtains a APNIC handle from APNIC. > > (2) The ISP fills the web then press the submit button. An email will > be sent to the ISP according to the email address in the form. > > The intention here is authentication of email reachability. > > (3) When the ISP receives the email, the ISP checks out the form. If > there are no errors, the ISP sends the form to JPNIC by email. > > (4) When JPNIC receives the email from the ISP, JPNIC sees whether or > not the form is sent by JPNIC members. If so, JPNIC forwards the > form to APNIC. > > (5) APNIC may want to ask some questions to the ISP. In this case, > APNIC sends them to JPNIC. JPNIC then relays questions/answers > between APNIC and the ISP. > > (6) APNIC assigns one sTLA to the ISP then tells APNIC. APNIC relays > the notification to the ISP. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ did you mean JPNIC here? APNIC will assign the sTLA to the ISP but will inform JPNIC who will then relay the information to the ISP. > (7) JPNIC requests payment for the ISP. > > (8) The ISP pays the fee. > > (9) JPNIC pays 250 USD into APNIC account. > Yes - all seems fine. The amount, as I said previously is calculated based on the per address fee where "per address" equals a /48 in IPv6, which to be precise is $245.76 USD. regards, Anne Manager, Member Services. > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 16:17:11 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA81333; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA81323 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:32 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20359; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:19:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020330; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:18:51 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14885; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:18:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:18:48 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: Re: the entire procedure In-Reply-To: <19991213.125453.112542885.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Kazu, Only one comment -please see below. Otherwise, this looks fine to me. > Here is the entire picture of the JPNIC service for sTLA. If you have > comments, please speak up right now. > > (0) JPNIC prepares a web page which is a modification version of > APNIC's one. Also, JPNIC prepares some documents on the service. > > (1) A sTLA applicant of JPNIC member (say an ISP hereafter) first > obtains a APNIC handle from APNIC. > > (2) The ISP fills the web then press the submit button. An email will > be sent to the ISP according to the email address in the form. > > The intention here is authentication of email reachability. > > (3) When the ISP receives the email, the ISP checks out the form. If > there are no errors, the ISP sends the form to JPNIC by email. > > (4) When JPNIC receives the email from the ISP, JPNIC sees whether or > not the form is sent by JPNIC members. If so, JPNIC forwards the > form to APNIC. > > (5) APNIC may want to ask some questions to the ISP. In this case, > APNIC sends them to JPNIC. JPNIC then relays questions/answers > between APNIC and the ISP. > > (6) APNIC assigns one sTLA to the ISP then tells APNIC. APNIC relays > the notification to the ISP. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ did you mean JPNIC here? APNIC will assign the sTLA to the ISP but will inform JPNIC who will then relay the information to the ISP. > (7) JPNIC requests payment for the ISP. > > (8) The ISP pays the fee. > > (9) JPNIC pays 250 USD into APNIC account. > Yes - all seems fine. The amount, as I said previously is calculated based on the per address fee where "per address" equals a /48 in IPv6, which to be precise is $245.76 USD. regards, Anne Manager, Member Services. > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 16:43:33 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA71470; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:43:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA71432 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:43:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id PAA20947 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:43:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id PAA03093 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:43:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id PAA15578 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:43:12 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:44:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991214.154411.39244348.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@ns.apnic.net Subject: Re: the entire procedure From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991213.125453.112542885.kazu@Mew.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b13 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: the entire procedure > APNIC will assign the sTLA to the ISP but will inform JPNIC who will > then relay the information to the ISP. You are right. Sorry for my mistake. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 16:47:58 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80607; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80602 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:08 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20131; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020129; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:06:33 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14364; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Kazu, > (1) When an ISP in Japan uses the service, it first have to obtain an > APNIC handle. We have two questions on this procedure: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I understand this to mean an APNIC NIC handle? > - What kind of information does APNIC authenticate > before APNIC assigns an APNIC handle to the applicant? Nothing - anyone can create a NIC handle automatically using the email interface to the APNIC database and completing a person template. > (e.g. E-mail reachability only) > > - How does APNIC authenticate it? > > (e.g. Checking JPNIC DB) There is no checking. THe object wont be created if email cant be sent to the database though. > (2) As I said before, JPNIC can't have responsibility to update APNIC > DB for ISPs that obtains sTLA through the JPNIC service. JPNIC assumes > that it is ISPs that have responsibility to update APNIC DB. Please > understand this point. > Yes, absolutely. ISPs have the responsibility. And JPNIC has responsibility to tell them that. And equally APNIC is responsible for JPNIC, and for JPNIC members - as the parent registry, regardless of where or how. The entire system is based on the concept of delegated responsibility, down to the ISP - as you correctly say. > (3) Let us ask a question on reverse lookup. Our understanding is that > APNIC authorizes /35 zones to sTLA holders(ISPs) and the ISPs > themselves maintain the zones. Is this correct? Yes. They can further delegate individual prefixes and zones of course. > (4) About the fee. The cost for one sTLA is 250 USD. Our understanding > is that this fee doesn't apply to multiple sTLAs (that is, in the case > that an ISP requests another sTLA because of exhaustion). In other > words, APNIC have a cost-plain only for the early period. Right? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cost-plain only" but the fee is based on the fee to NIR's which is : annual NIR membership fee plus per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). Does that make sense? regards, Anne Manager, Member Services -- > > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 17:11:03 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80607; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80602 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:08 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20131; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020129; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:06:33 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14364; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Kazu, > (1) When an ISP in Japan uses the service, it first have to obtain an > APNIC handle. We have two questions on this procedure: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I understand this to mean an APNIC NIC handle? > - What kind of information does APNIC authenticate > before APNIC assigns an APNIC handle to the applicant? Nothing - anyone can create a NIC handle automatically using the email interface to the APNIC database and completing a person template. > (e.g. E-mail reachability only) > > - How does APNIC authenticate it? > > (e.g. Checking JPNIC DB) There is no checking. THe object wont be created if email cant be sent to the database though. > (2) As I said before, JPNIC can't have responsibility to update APNIC > DB for ISPs that obtains sTLA through the JPNIC service. JPNIC assumes > that it is ISPs that have responsibility to update APNIC DB. Please > understand this point. > Yes, absolutely. ISPs have the responsibility. And JPNIC has responsibility to tell them that. And equally APNIC is responsible for JPNIC, and for JPNIC members - as the parent registry, regardless of where or how. The entire system is based on the concept of delegated responsibility, down to the ISP - as you correctly say. > (3) Let us ask a question on reverse lookup. Our understanding is that > APNIC authorizes /35 zones to sTLA holders(ISPs) and the ISPs > themselves maintain the zones. Is this correct? Yes. They can further delegate individual prefixes and zones of course. > (4) About the fee. The cost for one sTLA is 250 USD. Our understanding > is that this fee doesn't apply to multiple sTLAs (that is, in the case > that an ISP requests another sTLA because of exhaustion). In other > words, APNIC have a cost-plain only for the early period. Right? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cost-plain only" but the fee is based on the fee to NIR's which is : annual NIR membership fee plus per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). Does that make sense? regards, Anne Manager, Member Services -- > > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 17:14:55 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA80607; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA80602 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:07:08 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20131; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma020129; Tue, 14 Dec 99 15:06:33 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14364; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:06:32 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Kazu, > (1) When an ISP in Japan uses the service, it first have to obtain an > APNIC handle. We have two questions on this procedure: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I understand this to mean an APNIC NIC handle? > - What kind of information does APNIC authenticate > before APNIC assigns an APNIC handle to the applicant? Nothing - anyone can create a NIC handle automatically using the email interface to the APNIC database and completing a person template. > (e.g. E-mail reachability only) > > - How does APNIC authenticate it? > > (e.g. Checking JPNIC DB) There is no checking. THe object wont be created if email cant be sent to the database though. > (2) As I said before, JPNIC can't have responsibility to update APNIC > DB for ISPs that obtains sTLA through the JPNIC service. JPNIC assumes > that it is ISPs that have responsibility to update APNIC DB. Please > understand this point. > Yes, absolutely. ISPs have the responsibility. And JPNIC has responsibility to tell them that. And equally APNIC is responsible for JPNIC, and for JPNIC members - as the parent registry, regardless of where or how. The entire system is based on the concept of delegated responsibility, down to the ISP - as you correctly say. > (3) Let us ask a question on reverse lookup. Our understanding is that > APNIC authorizes /35 zones to sTLA holders(ISPs) and the ISPs > themselves maintain the zones. Is this correct? Yes. They can further delegate individual prefixes and zones of course. > (4) About the fee. The cost for one sTLA is 250 USD. Our understanding > is that this fee doesn't apply to multiple sTLAs (that is, in the case > that an ISP requests another sTLA because of exhaustion). In other > words, APNIC have a cost-plain only for the early period. Right? I'm not quite sure what you mean by "cost-plain only" but the fee is based on the fee to NIR's which is : annual NIR membership fee plus per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). Does that make sense? regards, Anne Manager, Member Services -- > > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 17:40:51 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA75905; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA75889 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id QAA21346 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id QAA06259 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id QAA17759 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:03:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991214.160327.21841794.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b13 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service > annual NIR membership fee plus > per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). I believe you meant /35 (sTLA). ie 245.76 USD per sTLA. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 18:04:20 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA75905; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA75889 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id QAA21346 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id QAA06259 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id QAA17759 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:03:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991214.160327.21841794.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b13 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service > annual NIR membership fee plus > per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). I believe you meant /35 (sTLA). ie 245.76 USD per sTLA. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 18:05:01 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA75905; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA75889 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id QAA21346 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id QAA06259 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id QAA17759 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:03:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991214.160327.21841794.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b13 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service > annual NIR membership fee plus > per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). I believe you meant /35 (sTLA). ie 245.76 USD per sTLA. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 18:18:05 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA75905; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mgo.iij.ad.jp (mgo.iij.ad.jp [202.232.15.6]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA75889 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:40:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from ns.iij.ad.jp (root@ns.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.8]) by mgo.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MGO1.0) with ESMTP id QAA21346 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from fs.iij.ad.jp (root@fs.iij.ad.jp [192.168.2.9]) by ns.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with ESMTP id QAA06259 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from Mew.org (mine.iij.ad.jp [192.168.10.205]) by fs.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5/3.5Wpl7) with SMTP id QAA17759 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:02:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:03:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19991214.160327.21841794.kazu@Mew.org> To: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service From: Kazu Yamamoto (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCOzNLXE9CSScbKEI=?=) In-Reply-To: References: <19991213.121548.71170800.kazu@Mew.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b13 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Anne Lord Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service > annual NIR membership fee plus > per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). I believe you meant /35 (sTLA). ie 245.76 USD per sTLA. --Kazu From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 19:16:04 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA72445; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:16:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA72434 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:16:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26661; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:15:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma026657; Tue, 14 Dec 99 19:15:50 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12575; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:15:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:15:46 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Kazu Yamamoto cc: nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991214.160327.21841794.kazu@Mew.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Actually, no I didnt - but it equates to the same thing though. There are 32 /48's in a /35. The fee is based on a per address fee where "address" is taken to mean a /48 (as the minimum assigned to an end site). So the amount for a /35 can be calculated to be USD 245.76 - this is how this figure is derived. regards, Anne Manager, Member Services On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Kazu Yamamoto wrote: > From: Anne Lord > Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service > > > annual NIR membership fee plus > > per address fee for addresses allocated (in IPv6 per /48 fee). > > I believe you meant /35 (sTLA). ie 245.76 USD per sTLA. > > --Kazu > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Tue Dec 14 20:34:32 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA77351; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:34:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from mx1.nic.ad.jp (mx1.nic.ad.jp [202.12.30.137]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA77343 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:34:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from spool.nic.ad.jp (spool.nic.ad.jp [192.168.10.252]) by mx1.nic.ad.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/JPNIC-relay.def,v-99111822) with ESMTP id TAA14531 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:34:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) Received: from ws114.nic.ad.jp (ws114.nic.ad.jp [202.12.30.114]) by spool.nic.ad.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/JPNIC-spool.def,v-1.7-1999111822) with ESMTP id TAA14956; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:34:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ws114.nic.ad.jp (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W/JPNIC-v7-private-nospool.def,v-99091722) with ESMTP id TAA23863; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:34:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) To: nir-discuss@whois.apnic.net Cc: ip-v6@nic.ad.jp Subject: Re: [JPNIC ip-v6 190] Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:15:46 +1000 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991214193425H.rie@nic.ad.jp> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:34:25 +0900 From: Rie Iwatani X-Dispatcher: imput version 981124(IM104) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi Anne, > There are 32 /48's in a /35. The fee is based on a per address ^^ Isn't it 8192? > fee where "address" is taken to mean a /48 (as the minimum assigned > to an end site). So the amount for a /35 can be calculated to be > USD 245.76 - this is how this figure is derived. I think the cost calculation would be as follows: /48 * 8192 (13 bit) = /35 0.03 USD * 8192 = 245.76 USD Is this correct? I'm sorry if I am asking too basic question. Regards, Rie Iwatani JPNIC, Office of Business planning From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Wed Dec 15 14:53:47 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA77877; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:53:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA77870 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:53:45 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13443; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:53:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma013435; Wed, 15 Dec 99 14:52:58 +1000 Received: from localhost (anne@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22879; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:52:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:52:55 +1000 (EST) From: Anne Lord X-Sender: anne@hadrian To: Rie Iwatani cc: nir-discuss@whois.apnic.net, ip-v6@nic.ad.jp Subject: Re: [JPNIC ip-v6 190] Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: <19991214193425H.rie@nic.ad.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Rie, > > There are 32 /48's in a /35. The fee is based on a per address > ^^ > Isn't it 8192? Ooops Yes :). You're absolutely right... Thanks for pointing that out. Best wishes, Anne -- > > fee where "address" is taken to mean a /48 (as the minimum assigned > > to an end site). So the amount for a /35 can be calculated to be > > USD 245.76 - this is how this figure is derived. > > I think the cost calculation would be as follows: > > /48 * 8192 (13 bit) = /35 > 0.03 USD * 8192 = 245.76 USD > > Is this correct? > > I'm sorry if I am asking too basic question. > Regards, > > Rie Iwatani > JPNIC, Office of Business planning > From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Thu Dec 16 09:53:15 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA84128; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:53:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA84122 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:53:13 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27580; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma027578; Thu, 16 Dec 99 09:52:53 +1000 Received: from wilson (wrk-8.staff.apnic.net [192.168.1.71]) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA29082; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:52 +1000 (EST) From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rie Iwatani" , Cc: Subject: RE: [JPNIC ip-v6 190] Re: JPNIC sTLA service Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:50 +1000 Message-ID: <00c501bf4757$7ebaa030$4701a8c0@wilson.staff.apnic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19991214193425H.rie@nic.ad.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello Rie > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net > [mailto:owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net]On Behalf Of Rie Iwatani > Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 1999 20:34 > To: nir-discuss@whois.apnic.net > Cc: ip-v6@nic.ad.jp > Subject: Re: [JPNIC ip-v6 190] Re: JPNIC sTLA service > ... > > I think the cost calculation would be as follows: > > /48 * 8192 (13 bit) = /35 > 0.03 USD * 8192 = 245.76 USD > > Is this correct? This is the correct calculation, for a Confederation member in the "Very Large" membership category. It is of course based on the confederation "per address" fee structure which has applied to IPv4 allocations, and which is defined as follows in the document http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/confed-requirements : As of February 22, 1998, the fees associated with the operation of confederations are based on the resources allocated to the confederation. The current fee structure is dependent on the self-determined size of the confederation and the amount of Internet address space allocated to the confederation: Member Tier Per-Address Fee ----------- --------------- Very Large US $0.03 Large US $0.06 Medium US $0.11 Small US $0.16 > > I'm sorry if I am asking too basic question. > Regards, No problem! Regards Paul Wilson. From owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Mon Dec 27 11:43:45 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA114653; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:43:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from mx1.nic.ad.jp (mx1.nic.ad.jp [202.12.30.137]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA114645 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:43:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from spool.nic.ad.jp (spool.nic.ad.jp [192.168.10.252]) by mx1.nic.ad.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/JPNIC-relay.def,v-99111822) with ESMTP id KAA06125 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:43:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) Received: from ws114.nic.ad.jp (ws114.nic.ad.jp [202.12.30.114]) by spool.nic.ad.jp (8.9.3+3.1W/3.7W/JPNIC-spool.def,v-1.7-1999111822) with ESMTP id KAA21226 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:43:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ws114.nic.ad.jp (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W/JPNIC-v7-private-nospool.def,v-99091722) with ESMTP id KAA13795 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:43:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from rie@nic.ad.jp) To: nir-discuss@whois.apnic.net Subject: Re: JPNIC sTLA service In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:50 +1000" <00c501bf4757$7ebaa030$4701a8c0@wilson.staff.apnic.net> References: <00c501bf4757$7ebaa030$4701a8c0@wilson.staff.apnic.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991227104339C.rie@nic.ad.jp> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:43:39 +0900 From: Rie Iwatani X-Dispatcher: imput version 981124(IM104) Lines: 44 Sender: owner-nir-discuss@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi Paul-san, I am sorry for slow reply. > > I think the cost calculation would be as follows: > > > > /48 * 8192 (13 bit) = /35 > > 0.03 USD * 8192 = 245.76 USD > > > > Is this correct? > > This is the correct calculation, for a Confederation member in the "Very > Large" membership category. It is of course based on the confederation "per > address" fee structure which has applied to IPv4 allocations, and which is > defined as follows in the document > http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/confed-requirements : > > > As of February 22, 1998, the fees associated with the operation of > confederations are based on the resources allocated to the > confederation. The current fee structure is dependent on the > self-determined size of the confederation and the amount of Internet > address space allocated to the confederation: > > Member Tier Per-Address Fee > ----------- --------------- > Very Large US $0.03 > Large US $0.06 > Medium US $0.11 > Small US $0.16 Understood. Thank you very much for the explanation. Then, for example, an allocation of a /29 would cost a great amount if you apply this calculation to the case. I suppose the fee calculation should be re-examined in future. JPNIC would like to propose some sort of solution to this later, too. Regards, Rie Iwatani Office of Business Planning JPNIC